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Dems have been pointing this out for years, yes. You didn't want to listen, though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32051452 https://news.ycombinator.com/

by ceejayoz 10mo ago

Dems have been pointing this out for years, yes. You didn't want to listen, though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32051452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32051452

bitshiftfaced 10mo ago
It's ok to change your mind. Kind of a lame move to go digging through someone's history to try to prove them wrong like that.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  > It's ok to change your mind. I don't disagree. Some users on here, though, are a little notorious, and my spidey sense went off given past interactions. One search on https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ and here we are.
  - AlexeyBelov 10mo ago
    Yeah, rayiner is quite famous for his.. umm.. views.
- TimorousBestie 10mo ago
  Persistence of memory—limited deletion of old comments, easy searching through archives—is a key feature of HN that distinguishes it from other forums. I think it’s worth noting that he doesn’t believe that his mind has changed.
rayiner 10mo ago
You should quote what I said: > Visa overstays are a “bigger problem” according to whom? Could someone reasonably consider illegal border crossings a bigger problem because they involve completely unvetted people, as opposed to visa overstays which involve people who were at least minimally vetted in getting a visa? All I said was that you could reasonably consider illegal border crossings to be a “bigger problem,” even accepting that visa overstays account for a larger volume. You’re tacitly assuming that “bigger problem” and “bigger volume” are the same, but my point there was that those aren’t the same. And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The level of border crossings is down to almost zero now.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  > And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The article you linked is from 2019 and says "for the seventh consecutive year". This is not new info.
  - rayiner 10mo ago
    Quote my whole point! > And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The level of border crossings is down to almost zero now. Border crossings can be a higher priority even if visa overstays account for more volume, because of the different level of vetting for those two routes. But now that border crossings are down, it makes sense to focus on visa overstays. How is any of that inconsistent?

Dems have been pointing this out for years, yes. You didn't want to listen, though. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32051452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32051452

bitshiftfaced 10mo ago

It's ok to change your mind. Kind of a lame move to go digging through someone's history to try to prove them wrong like that.

ceejayoz 10mo ago
> It's ok to change your mind. I don't disagree. Some users on here, though, are a little notorious, and my spidey sense went off given past interactions. One search on https://hn.algolia.com/ https://hn.algolia.com/ and here we are.
- AlexeyBelov 10mo ago
  Yeah, rayiner is quite famous for his.. umm.. views.
TimorousBestie 10mo ago
Persistence of memory—limited deletion of old comments, easy searching through archives—is a key feature of HN that distinguishes it from other forums. I think it’s worth noting that he doesn’t believe that his mind has changed.

rayiner 10mo ago

You should quote what I said: > Visa overstays are a “bigger problem” according to whom? Could someone reasonably consider illegal border crossings a bigger problem because they involve completely unvetted people, as opposed to visa overstays which involve people who were at least minimally vetted in getting a visa? All I said was that you could reasonably consider illegal border crossings to be a “bigger problem,” even accepting that visa overstays account for a larger volume. You’re tacitly assuming that “bigger problem” and “bigger volume” are the same, but my point there was that those aren’t the same. And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The level of border crossings is down to almost zero now.

ceejayoz 10mo ago
> And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The article you linked is from 2019 and says "for the seventh consecutive year". This is not new info.
- rayiner 10mo ago
  Quote my whole point! > And four years later, of course, we’re in a different factual scenario. The level of border crossings is down to almost zero now. Border crossings can be a higher priority even if visa overstays account for more volume, because of the different level of vetting for those two routes. But now that border crossings are down, it makes sense to focus on visa overstays. How is any of that inconsistent?