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The data does not say that 53% have a conviction or charge. It says that 27% do. The 26% you miscategorized are people with pending charges. Everyone is innoce

by sosodev 9mo ago

The data does not say that 53% have a conviction or charge. It says that 27% do. The 26% you miscategorized are people with pending charges. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

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piker 9mo ago
What you’re saying makes no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding it (and I am in fact a lawyer), the data indicates that 53% of the people have either been convicted of or charged with a crime. Yes, people who are charged are innocent until proven guilty. Nobody is implying any of those charged people are guilty. Fifty-three is a high percentage of any population to face criminal charges, innocent or guilty. That’s it. What do you think is the delta between "charged" and "pending charge"?
- HaZeust 9mo ago
  What do you think the delta is between "general population", "pending charge", "charged", and "convicted" - while we're at it? You can make a vast majority of the population "pending charge" at some point if you take into consideration they were - at one point - marked "pending bench warrant" during the time between getting a traffic ticket and (A) paying it; or (B) fighting it. Let's see how far we can skew the datasets, with enough motivation. And the "benefit of the doubt" that you'd reflexively give someone on not stretching the truth simply CANNOT be afforded to these people.
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  - piker 9mo ago
    No this isn’t correct. A bench warrant is not a charge. Neither is an arrest warrant, but in any event most traffic violations will be civil and not criminal matters.
    - HaZeust 9mo ago
      >"A bench warrant is not a charge. Neither is an arrest warrant," Re-read my comment. I never said they were.
      - piker 9mo ago
        > You can make a vast majority of the population "pending charge" at some point if you take into consideration they were - at one point - marked "pending bench warrant" during the time between getting a traffic ticket and (A) paying it; or (B) fighting it. This statement is incorrect. A "charge" means charged with a crime. You cannot make anyone "pending charge" if you issue them a bench warrant. Nor an arrest warrant. Charging someone is a different procedure.

by sosodev 9mo ago

The data does not say that 53% have a conviction or charge. It says that 27% do. The 26% you miscategorized are people with pending charges. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

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piker 9mo ago

What you’re saying makes no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding it (and I am in fact a lawyer), the data indicates that 53% of the people have either been convicted of or charged with a crime. Yes, people who are charged are innocent until proven guilty. Nobody is implying any of those charged people are guilty. Fifty-three is a high percentage of any population to face criminal charges, innocent or guilty. That’s it. What do you think is the delta between "charged" and "pending charge"?

HaZeust 9mo ago
What do you think the delta is between "general population", "pending charge", "charged", and "convicted" - while we're at it? You can make a vast majority of the population "pending charge" at some point if you take into consideration they were - at one point - marked "pending bench warrant" during the time between getting a traffic ticket and (A) paying it; or (B) fighting it. Let's see how far we can skew the datasets, with enough motivation. And the "benefit of the doubt" that you'd reflexively give someone on not stretching the truth simply CANNOT be afforded to these people.
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- piker 9mo ago
  No this isn’t correct. A bench warrant is not a charge. Neither is an arrest warrant, but in any event most traffic violations will be civil and not criminal matters.
  - HaZeust 9mo ago
    >"A bench warrant is not a charge. Neither is an arrest warrant," Re-read my comment. I never said they were.
    - piker 9mo ago
      > You can make a vast majority of the population "pending charge" at some point if you take into consideration they were - at one point - marked "pending bench warrant" during the time between getting a traffic ticket and (A) paying it; or (B) fighting it. This statement is incorrect. A "charge" means charged with a crime. You cannot make anyone "pending charge" if you issue them a bench warrant. Nor an arrest warrant. Charging someone is a different procedure.