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Hmm, South Africa is not exempt, because they are not part of the Visa Waver program. (No country in Africa is part of that program, according to [1].) [1] ht

by e40 9mo ago

Hmm, South Africa is not exempt, because they are not part of the Visa Waver program. (No country in Africa is part of that program, according to [1].) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#:~:text=As%20of%202026%2C%20nationals%20of,Asia%2D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#:~:text=As...

ComputerGuru 9mo ago
But Israel, which routinely denies entry (at the border, after flying halfway around the world!) to American citizens of Arab or Palestinian heritage in contravention of the rules and stipulations of the Visa Waiver Program, is (after Biden pushed to get them into the program).
Havoc 9mo ago
SA had a stint of issues with illegitimate but real passport being issued via fraud so think it'll take a while till they make any 1st world waiver lists again
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  Depends on skin color. https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-south-africans/ https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-sout... > Consistent with President Trump’s Executive Order on Addressing Egregious Actions of the Republic of South Africa, the Department of State is coordinating with the Department of Homeland Security to consider eligibility for U.S. refugee resettlement for people who are of Afrikaner ethnicity or a member of a racial minority in South Africa who are victims of government-sponsored race-based discrimination. (That's a lot of words to say "white".)
  - chrneu 9mo ago
    A lot of the folks in trump's cabinet are pro-apartheid white supremacists. they think white people in SA are the victims. Stephen Miller is a great example. I'm not disagreeing with ya, just adding more context.
  - Havoc 9mo ago
    >Depends on skin color. Well that is happening too but is separate to what I was alluding to - mistrust of SA issued passports. e.g. Ireland scrapped visa free access & appears to have been for this reason

by e40 9mo ago

ComputerGuru 9mo ago

But Israel, which routinely denies entry (at the border, after flying halfway around the world!) to American citizens of Arab or Palestinian heritage in contravention of the rules and stipulations of the Visa Waiver Program, is (after Biden pushed to get them into the program).

Havoc 9mo ago

SA had a stint of issues with illegitimate but real passport being issued via fraud so think it'll take a while till they make any 1st world waiver lists again

ceejayoz 9mo ago
Depends on skin color. https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-south-africans/ https://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-sout... > Consistent with President Trump’s Executive Order on Addressing Egregious Actions of the Republic of South Africa, the Department of State is coordinating with the Department of Homeland Security to consider eligibility for U.S. refugee resettlement for people who are of Afrikaner ethnicity or a member of a racial minority in South Africa who are victims of government-sponsored race-based discrimination. (That's a lot of words to say "white".)
- chrneu 9mo ago
  A lot of the folks in trump's cabinet are pro-apartheid white supremacists. they think white people in SA are the victims. Stephen Miller is a great example. I'm not disagreeing with ya, just adding more context.
- Havoc 9mo ago
  >Depends on skin color. Well that is happening too but is separate to what I was alluding to - mistrust of SA issued passports. e.g. Ireland scrapped visa free access & appears to have been for this reason