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My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet comp

by swlkr 9mo ago

My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet companies after the great firewall.

petcat 9mo ago
> EU is actively trying to create their own cloud Unfortunately, the EU is not nearly coordinated for such a thing. And even if they were, regulation is not what will make it happen. EU is in a crisis of financial (VISA, AmEx) and software services (AWS, MS, Google) being almost entirely provided by USA. They are not going to dig themselves out of the hole by regulation. For contrast, USA is (largely) dependent on China, Korea, and Taiwan for chips. But they decided to attack the problem by investing several hundred billion dollars to develop their domestic microchip manufacturing infrastructure [1]. This appears to be paying dividends already as TSMC is already producing chips in Arizona, and estimated 30% of all production of 2nm and better to be produced in USA by 2030. It seems to me that this is the way nations take control of their problems. Unfortunately EU seems incapable. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act
- VWWHFSfQ 9mo ago
  > estimated 30% of all production of 2nm and better to be produced in USA by 2030 There will come a time when the EU is also buying their chips from USA and then they'll wonder how that happened.
  - jimnotgym 9mo ago
    There will be a time when the whole world buys its Fabs from the EU. Good luck getting more after US steals Greenland...
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- jimnotgym 9mo ago
  > It seems to me that this is the way nations take control of their problems. Unfortunately EU seems incapable. Incapable of being a nation I guess
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    It's not.
    - amitav1 9mo ago
      I think GP meant that in the sense that the EU is not a nation, it's a union of nations.
rockinghigh 9mo ago
That's definitely happening. The US does this through massive government spending on American solutions. The EU is only starting to go that route as well.
jayofdoom 9mo ago
This is called "digital sovereignty", and it has been a major topic for OpenInfra foundation and other open source cloud foundations. Open source, and open cloud software, is the way to ensure your data can stay inside your own borders and be governed by your local laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvz2PcHq0yY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvz2PcHq0yY is one example of folks talking about this, but realistically you can find talks from OpenStack/OpenInfra going back 4/5 years on this topic.
- swlkr 9mo ago
  I love this. digital sovereignty sounds so cool too
pelorat 9mo ago
We have plenty of cloud providers, most are on national levels, not international levels.

by swlkr 9mo ago

My conspiracy theory is that the EU is actively trying to create their own cloud through regulation after seeing the economic success from china's internet companies after the great firewall.

petcat 9mo ago

> EU is actively trying to create their own cloud Unfortunately, the EU is not nearly coordinated for such a thing. And even if they were, regulation is not what will make it happen. EU is in a crisis of financial (VISA, AmEx) and software services (AWS, MS, Google) being almost entirely provided by USA. They are not going to dig themselves out of the hole by regulation. For contrast, USA is (largely) dependent on China, Korea, and Taiwan for chips. But they decided to attack the problem by investing several hundred billion dollars to develop their domestic microchip manufacturing infrastructure [1]. This appears to be paying dividends already as TSMC is already producing chips in Arizona, and estimated 30% of all production of 2nm and better to be produced in USA by 2030. It seems to me that this is the way nations take control of their problems. Unfortunately EU seems incapable. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

VWWHFSfQ 9mo ago
> estimated 30% of all production of 2nm and better to be produced in USA by 2030 There will come a time when the EU is also buying their chips from USA and then they'll wonder how that happened.
- jimnotgym 9mo ago
  There will be a time when the whole world buys its Fabs from the EU. Good luck getting more after US steals Greenland...
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jimnotgym 9mo ago
> It seems to me that this is the way nations take control of their problems. Unfortunately EU seems incapable. Incapable of being a nation I guess
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  It's not.
  - amitav1 9mo ago
    I think GP meant that in the sense that the EU is not a nation, it's a union of nations.

rockinghigh 9mo ago

That's definitely happening. The US does this through massive government spending on American solutions. The EU is only starting to go that route as well.

jayofdoom 9mo ago

This is called "digital sovereignty", and it has been a major topic for OpenInfra foundation and other open source cloud foundations. Open source, and open cloud software, is the way to ensure your data can stay inside your own borders and be governed by your local laws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvz2PcHq0yY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvz2PcHq0yY is one example of folks talking about this, but realistically you can find talks from OpenStack/OpenInfra going back 4/5 years on this topic.

swlkr 9mo ago
I love this. digital sovereignty sounds so cool too

pelorat 9mo ago

We have plenty of cloud providers, most are on national levels, not international levels.