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metacritic12 10mo ago
When I go to their homepage, I get a Cloudflare SSL handshake failed error -- feels like a classical vibecode bug.
derrida 10mo ago
As someone that like to play piano and guitar - I could see this immediately as something to improve my skills and playing by ear For me I was thinking a thought I almost never think and is long forgotten "where is that old home button in my browser so I can set this as my homepage, or maybe I have to solve 2-3 of these before I can log in to my computer" xD "insubstantive" is a nice word - software that is modifiable by the user at run time - I guess like scripting "it's just throw away" or emacs bit of elisp and keyboard macro and move on "insubstantive" Embrace the insubstantive! Otherwise - enjoy when you have a "problem" sitting down and having to abstract more and find the general and solve for "N" because the time investment was high and the tools did not allow for this sort of sketching, insubstantive, throwaway type thing.
teiferer 10mo ago
I'm normally in the camp of "why flood HN with AI crap" and if you are not a musician then I can see why this seems unnecessary. But as a musician, this is a great learning tool. Every musician should be able to play by ear (and I had to ramp up the difficulty substantially to get a bit of a challenge). AI generated or not, this is useful.
- SoleilAbsolu 10mo ago
  Yeah I've been playing 40 years and did a stint in music school. Other than fat-fingered note entry errors my ear nailed all the ones I did. IMO this seems to start from a pretty advanced level off the bat.
ianbutler 10mo ago
There are plenty of musicians here saying this is useful for them or would be useful while learning. As meta commentary, those not in a subgroup sometime fail to see utility of a thing built for that subgroup and it's easy to feel a sense of superiority "oh how dumb and trivial this thing is", but it may be better to first have curiosity and see how the intended audience responds. Often it's not dumb or trivial, you're missing context and experience to see the value.
- dvt 10mo ago
  It’s the typical “engineer thinking they’re smarter than everyone else” trope. From my experience, engineers fall squarely in the middle of the bell curve. The AI hate is just used as justification, so I don’t even take it that seriously. And fwiw, as someone that played piano when I was younger, this is 100% a useful tool. In fact, during quarantine I was learning to play guitar and used tools like this to learn which string is which by ear.
- Fraterkes 10mo ago
  I've played the piano for years. Your immediate conclusion that my dislike must stem from inexperience instead of a more nuanced place strikes me as the exact kind of thing you're lamenting in your comment.
  - minimaxir 10mo ago
    > a more nuanced place Your original comment implies "it's GenAI so it must be bad."
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  - ianbutler 10mo ago
    As the other poster said, your comment didn't really leave any room for nuance, it was "ai bad". And it's also clear you're too egoistic/defensive to reflect on it. Other commentary is you're not owed courtesy you yourself didn't give.
recursive 10mo ago
I've been playing piano for 40 years, tend to hate anything with AI-buzzwords anywhere adjacent to it. But I generally think this particularly one is a good thing. Curious what you mean by no attempt to teach. We learn multiplication tables by rote. Are flash cards a genuine instrument of learning? The only way to learn intervals is to practice identifying them. This is how you do it. You can read about music theory (and should) but the only way to build your listening skills is to practice it starting with basic stuff.
- cgriswald 10mo ago
  This teaches intervals like Duolingo teaches language rules. You sort of pick them up because you need them to figure out the small melody it plays. But you don't get the concept of a 'fourth' or a 'fifth' and there's never a moment where the actual rules are explained. That said, I think it's very useful for what it is and highlights that whatever your view on AI, there is a niche here that AI can fill that people otherwise would just not build either because they don't think it is interesting, or because no one would pay enough for it.
  - shermantanktop 10mo ago
    It's ear training, not theory training, right?
    - cgriswald 10mo ago
      Yes, which is why it doesn’t teach intervals, but is still useful.
  - recursive 10mo ago
    I addressed that. You should read a book to learn the definition of intervals. But in addition, there's no substitute for ear training. Grinding on interval identification is just as valid as this. Once you get to a level where you can identify intervals on the keyboard, the skills are pretty transferable. But there's just no way to learn what a fifth sounds like by reading a book. You need something like this. There is probably room to add a mode that says "this is a fifth" after you identify a fifth. Or to choose a named interval or chord quality based on hearing it. But I don't think any of that diminishes the utility of what's here. FWIW I think it's probably more useful to play what you hear than it is to be able to name it. Although they're both good.
gowld 10mo ago
Click the "?" on the game to see the AI slop popup dialogs blocking other popup dialogs. The good news is that this means you can quickly make the same app yourself at home, and improve it to suit your needs.
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vunderba 10mo ago
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- dvt 10mo ago
  Hacker News has become weirdly anti-hacker in the last 5 or so years, so please keep building stuff and keep posting it. This is literally what HN is supposed to be. The "AI slop" tirade is just bottom of the barrel bandwaggoning for upvotes because it's popular to hate AI today
  - minimaxir 10mo ago
    One of the counterintuitive aspects of the LLM boom is that agentic coding allows for more weird/unique projects that spark joy with less risk due to the increased efficiency. Nowadays, anything that's weird is considered AI slop and that's not even limited to software development. No, "LLMs can only output what's in their training data" hasn't been true for awhile.
  - vunderba 10mo ago
    Thanks for the support. Honestly, I probably shouldn’t get so defensive either, it’s a bad habit and a pretty poor "evolutionary holdover" in the internet age of anonymity and social media. I thought one way to help mitigate my emotional responses was to desensitize myself, but who really wants to expose themselves to the requisite sufficient threshold of personal attacks? That’s not exactly a fun callus to develop.
- Fraterkes 10mo ago
  Pay me no heed, I'm sure you'd find many of the things I've made insubstantive.
- snackdex 10mo ago
  > With all due respect, I'll stack up anything I've ever created against anything of yours at any time. I love this response. for what its worth there is some thought here on this app.
- dang 10mo ago
viccis 10mo ago
I think this is much better as a relative pitch training tool for people with a very basic background in piano and music in general. I would have loved something like this back in high school to use for practicing over and over. I think "teach" is a high bar, but I do think it's a good practice tool. My one and only complaint is that sometimes the melodies it generates are tough to play back because they don't really sound like a real melody and I have to fight my brain telling me to play back the one that would actually sound good. Sort of like having to memorize a random string of words vs memorizing a normal sentence.
fxwin 10mo ago
This doesn't really seem 'generic' at all to me?
dang 10mo ago
Please don't cross into personal attack on HN generally, and especially please not in Show HN threads. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

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When I go to their homepage, I get a Cloudflare SSL handshake failed error -- feels like a classical vibecode bug.

As someone that like to play piano and guitar - I could see this immediately as something to improve my skills and playing by ear For me I was thinking a thought I almost never think and is long forgotten "where is that old home button in my browser so I can set this as my homepage, or maybe I have to solve 2-3 of these before I can log in to my computer" xD "insubstantive" is a nice word - software that is modifiable by the user at run time - I guess like scripting "it's just throw away" or emacs bit of elisp and keyboard macro and move on "insubstantive" Embrace the insubstantive! Otherwise - enjoy when you have a "problem" sitting down and having to abstract more and find the general and solve for "N" because the time investment was high and the tools did not allow for this sort of sketching, insubstantive, throwaway type thing.

teiferer 10mo ago

I'm normally in the camp of "why flood HN with AI crap" and if you are not a musician then I can see why this seems unnecessary. But as a musician, this is a great learning tool. Every musician should be able to play by ear (and I had to ramp up the difficulty substantially to get a bit of a challenge). AI generated or not, this is useful.

SoleilAbsolu 10mo ago
Yeah I've been playing 40 years and did a stint in music school. Other than fat-fingered note entry errors my ear nailed all the ones I did. IMO this seems to start from a pretty advanced level off the bat.

ianbutler 10mo ago

There are plenty of musicians here saying this is useful for them or would be useful while learning. As meta commentary, those not in a subgroup sometime fail to see utility of a thing built for that subgroup and it's easy to feel a sense of superiority "oh how dumb and trivial this thing is", but it may be better to first have curiosity and see how the intended audience responds. Often it's not dumb or trivial, you're missing context and experience to see the value.

dvt 10mo ago
It’s the typical “engineer thinking they’re smarter than everyone else” trope. From my experience, engineers fall squarely in the middle of the bell curve. The AI hate is just used as justification, so I don’t even take it that seriously. And fwiw, as someone that played piano when I was younger, this is 100% a useful tool. In fact, during quarantine I was learning to play guitar and used tools like this to learn which string is which by ear.
Fraterkes 10mo ago
I've played the piano for years. Your immediate conclusion that my dislike must stem from inexperience instead of a more nuanced place strikes me as the exact kind of thing you're lamenting in your comment.
- minimaxir 10mo ago
  > a more nuanced place Your original comment implies "it's GenAI so it must be bad."
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
- ianbutler 10mo ago
  As the other poster said, your comment didn't really leave any room for nuance, it was "ai bad". And it's also clear you're too egoistic/defensive to reflect on it. Other commentary is you're not owed courtesy you yourself didn't give.

recursive 10mo ago

I've been playing piano for 40 years, tend to hate anything with AI-buzzwords anywhere adjacent to it. But I generally think this particularly one is a good thing. Curious what you mean by no attempt to teach. We learn multiplication tables by rote. Are flash cards a genuine instrument of learning? The only way to learn intervals is to practice identifying them. This is how you do it. You can read about music theory (and should) but the only way to build your listening skills is to practice it starting with basic stuff.

cgriswald 10mo ago
This teaches intervals like Duolingo teaches language rules. You sort of pick them up because you need them to figure out the small melody it plays. But you don't get the concept of a 'fourth' or a 'fifth' and there's never a moment where the actual rules are explained. That said, I think it's very useful for what it is and highlights that whatever your view on AI, there is a niche here that AI can fill that people otherwise would just not build either because they don't think it is interesting, or because no one would pay enough for it.
- shermantanktop 10mo ago
  It's ear training, not theory training, right?
  - cgriswald 10mo ago
    Yes, which is why it doesn’t teach intervals, but is still useful.
- recursive 10mo ago
  I addressed that. You should read a book to learn the definition of intervals. But in addition, there's no substitute for ear training. Grinding on interval identification is just as valid as this. Once you get to a level where you can identify intervals on the keyboard, the skills are pretty transferable. But there's just no way to learn what a fifth sounds like by reading a book. You need something like this. There is probably room to add a mode that says "this is a fifth" after you identify a fifth. Or to choose a named interval or chord quality based on hearing it. But I don't think any of that diminishes the utility of what's here. FWIW I think it's probably more useful to play what you hear than it is to be able to name it. Although they're both good.

gowld 10mo ago

Click the "?" on the game to see the AI slop popup dialogs blocking other popup dialogs. The good news is that this means you can quickly make the same app yourself at home, and improve it to suit your needs.

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vunderba 10mo ago

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dvt 10mo ago
Hacker News has become weirdly anti-hacker in the last 5 or so years, so please keep building stuff and keep posting it. This is literally what HN is supposed to be. The "AI slop" tirade is just bottom of the barrel bandwaggoning for upvotes because it's popular to hate AI today
- minimaxir 10mo ago
  One of the counterintuitive aspects of the LLM boom is that agentic coding allows for more weird/unique projects that spark joy with less risk due to the increased efficiency. Nowadays, anything that's weird is considered AI slop and that's not even limited to software development. No, "LLMs can only output what's in their training data" hasn't been true for awhile.
- vunderba 10mo ago
  Thanks for the support. Honestly, I probably shouldn’t get so defensive either, it’s a bad habit and a pretty poor "evolutionary holdover" in the internet age of anonymity and social media. I thought one way to help mitigate my emotional responses was to desensitize myself, but who really wants to expose themselves to the requisite sufficient threshold of personal attacks? That’s not exactly a fun callus to develop.
Fraterkes 10mo ago
Pay me no heed, I'm sure you'd find many of the things I've made insubstantive.
snackdex 10mo ago
> With all due respect, I'll stack up anything I've ever created against anything of yours at any time. I love this response. for what its worth there is some thought here on this app.
dang 10mo ago

viccis 10mo ago

I think this is much better as a relative pitch training tool for people with a very basic background in piano and music in general. I would have loved something like this back in high school to use for practicing over and over. I think "teach" is a high bar, but I do think it's a good practice tool. My one and only complaint is that sometimes the melodies it generates are tough to play back because they don't really sound like a real melody and I have to fight my brain telling me to play back the one that would actually sound good. Sort of like having to memorize a random string of words vs memorizing a normal sentence.

fxwin 10mo ago

This doesn't really seem 'generic' at all to me?

dang 10mo ago

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN generally, and especially please not in Show HN threads. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html