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I find it strange because it seems to me that outside of their bread and butter products (Kagi Search, Assistant), there really isn't a business secret or propr
by 0x1ch 9mo ago
I find it strange because it seems to me that outside of their bread and butter products (Kagi Search, Assistant), there really isn't a business secret or proprietary technology to keep secret no? Perhaps integrated browser LLM tooling they don't want to give out for free.
- lordhexd 9mo agoNot too much speculation needed as to why: data collection which is then used to enhance both their Search and Assistant products + they can easily start pushing their search and assistant through the platform once adoption is high enough and people who are used to Orion will more easily be convinced to just fork up a little money for continued or slightly improved features/access
- least 9mo agoIt's more likely it has to do with all the work they're doing to getting the WebExtension API to work with WebKit which is a main selling feature for the MacOS version - using firefox and chrome extensions in a webkit-powered browser.
- freehorse 9mo agoAnd esp for the iOS version, where there are not many options for using extensions in other browsers. The only browser there that can use UBO, afaik. In MacOS it is a bit too buggy for me for daily use, ymmv.
- freehorse 9mo agoOrion does not collect telemetry data [0]. [0] https://orionbrowser.com/privacy https://orionbrowser.com/privacy
- mikae1 9mo agoHow do you know that? Source is closed. Is a network analyzer enough to determine?
- freehorse 9mo agoPeople usually don't compile their browsers from source anyway. And of course, technically, a program can check whether monitoring tools are running and adapt its behaviour accordingly, but this is malware territory and it makes no sense for any reputable browser. Also, technically, one can do that on router level anyway and not have this issue. So yes, I would say that analyzing the network is enough.
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- 1vuio0pswjnm7 9mo ago"People usually don't compile their browsers from source anyway." But this is a forum that includes people who do compile their browser from source As such, if promoting a new browser here, it should be expected people may ask about the availability of source code I use an HTML browser that is a 2M static binary It compiles quickly and easily on all the computers I own, and these computers are underpowered This allows me to customise the software For example, any "features" I do not wish to have, such as telemetry or other "automatic" remote connections, can be removed NB. I am not expressing an opinion on the "Orion" software, I am commenting exclusively on the statement, "People usually don't compile their browsers from source anyway" appearing in a forum read by people who _do_ compile their browsers from source
- freehorse 9mo agoI was answering to a specific comment asking about whether one absolutely needs the source code to know that there is no telemetry. Not about whether it is reasonable or useful to want to have the source code in general.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 9mo ago
- thisislife2 9mo agoWhat about their online installers, without which you can't install it?
- justinclift 9mo agoAs a data point, the Orion Alpha is a Flatpak. Not sure about the telemetry status with that.
- bigstrat2003 9mo agoThat is in fact some pretty wild speculation.