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I don’t know the backstory but Cloudflare arguing for an open internet is super ironic, presumably he means they want the be the one to close it off and are ups

by andy99 9mo ago

I don’t know the backstory but Cloudflare arguing for an open internet is super ironic, presumably he means they want the be the one to close it off and are upset that someone else is ruining their monopoly on it.

k4rli 9mo ago
Definitely getting that vibe. Also praising M*sk and USA leadership clearly points to only having his business interests in mind. Feels like engagement bait for attention seeking. No doubt they'll still keep the Olympics contracts as they are.
- adrr 9mo ago
  1.1.1.1 DNS is just querying root DNS servers. And @elon.jet twitter account was just querying ADS data and posting it. Its exactly same, yet this guy praises Elon.
  - bflesch 9mo ago
    DNS lookups via 1.1.1.1 are also directly fed into the US surveillance state so peter thiel can use his palantir dashboard to see if you are the antichrist or not.
    - jacquesm 9mo ago
      I'm sure he has a mirror lying around somewhere?
- rib3ye 9mo ago
  Is agreeing with an adversary on a single point the same as praising them?
  - jimnotgym 9mo ago
    Interesting choice of words to try and make the logic sound ok. Try: 'Is praising an adversary on a single issue the same as praising them'. Yes, yes it is
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Almondsetat 9mo ago
Here's the backstory: A government agency in Italy which is known nation-wide to complain and fine other institutions for the stupidest and pettiest reasons, fined another institution for a stupid and petty reason. But of course, ignorant people just see this single occurrence and make up conspiracy theories about it. (Really, if you looked at some examples of previous fines and complaints by AGCOM you would laugh your ass off independently of your political stance)
cubefox 9mo ago
So you think it's fine that if some Italian agency orders Cloudflare to block some domain on it's 1.1.1.1 public DNS (or Google on it's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) it should be blocked for everyone on Earth who is using this DNS server, including yourself? And if you think otherwise, you are merely "upset that someone else is ruining their monopoly on it"?
robinhood 9mo ago
I honestly don't see the irony. I believe Cloudflare tries to argue for an open internet. I use some of their features on the free plan and it's of tremendous help, especially considering the price I pay (ie 0$). I'm actually super glad that Cloudflare exists.
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blibble 9mo ago
USian tech-CEO posting petulant self-serving arguments about "FREEDOM" on twitter? what a cliche cloudflare have deliberately designed their network so that every IP can serve up every cloudflare website this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site, causing massive collateral damage I suspect this is a deliberate business decision: an attempt to raise the "cost" of blocking so high that courts won't attempt to do it at all and then they make arguments about "it's not technically possible", when it is (farm the target of the orders off to a separate pool of IPs) and for DNS they could apply a filter based on the source IP country of origin Prince: please, please, please exercise your empty threat, and withdraw your shitty company's services from Italy and then you'll watch as Italy then raises it at the EU level, and then you'll have to do the same there too
- great_wubwub 9mo ago
  > this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site Not true. Cloudflare can't block only a single web site _by IP address_ but that's pretty common with IPv4, The same is true of Fastly and AWS and I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer. They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy).
  - blibble 9mo ago
    > I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer. fortunately you only need to farm out the ones out that are under court orders > They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy). these court orders usually work by getting end user ISPs (which are regulated) to block or reroute the IP and/or DNS entry neither of which can be realistically done due to conscious decisions by cloudflare

by andy99 9mo ago

k4rli 9mo ago

Definitely getting that vibe. Also praising M*sk and USA leadership clearly points to only having his business interests in mind. Feels like engagement bait for attention seeking. No doubt they'll still keep the Olympics contracts as they are.

adrr 9mo ago
1.1.1.1 DNS is just querying root DNS servers. And @elon.jet twitter account was just querying ADS data and posting it. Its exactly same, yet this guy praises Elon.
- bflesch 9mo ago
  DNS lookups via 1.1.1.1 are also directly fed into the US surveillance state so peter thiel can use his palantir dashboard to see if you are the antichrist or not.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    I'm sure he has a mirror lying around somewhere?
rib3ye 9mo ago
Is agreeing with an adversary on a single point the same as praising them?
- jimnotgym 9mo ago
  Interesting choice of words to try and make the logic sound ok. Try: 'Is praising an adversary on a single issue the same as praising them'. Yes, yes it is

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Almondsetat 9mo ago

Here's the backstory: A government agency in Italy which is known nation-wide to complain and fine other institutions for the stupidest and pettiest reasons, fined another institution for a stupid and petty reason. But of course, ignorant people just see this single occurrence and make up conspiracy theories about it. (Really, if you looked at some examples of previous fines and complaints by AGCOM you would laugh your ass off independently of your political stance)

cubefox 9mo ago

So you think it's fine that if some Italian agency orders Cloudflare to block some domain on it's 1.1.1.1 public DNS (or Google on it's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) it should be blocked for everyone on Earth who is using this DNS server, including yourself? And if you think otherwise, you are merely "upset that someone else is ruining their monopoly on it"?

robinhood 9mo ago

I honestly don't see the irony. I believe Cloudflare tries to argue for an open internet. I use some of their features on the free plan and it's of tremendous help, especially considering the price I pay (ie 0$). I'm actually super glad that Cloudflare exists.

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blibble 9mo ago

USian tech-CEO posting petulant self-serving arguments about "FREEDOM" on twitter? what a cliche cloudflare have deliberately designed their network so that every IP can serve up every cloudflare website this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site, causing massive collateral damage I suspect this is a deliberate business decision: an attempt to raise the "cost" of blocking so high that courts won't attempt to do it at all and then they make arguments about "it's not technically possible", when it is (farm the target of the orders off to a separate pool of IPs) and for DNS they could apply a filter based on the source IP country of origin Prince: please, please, please exercise your empty threat, and withdraw your shitty company's services from Italy and then you'll watch as Italy then raises it at the EU level, and then you'll have to do the same there too

great_wubwub 9mo ago
> this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site Not true. Cloudflare can't block only a single web site _by IP address_ but that's pretty common with IPv4, The same is true of Fastly and AWS and I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer. They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy).
- blibble 9mo ago
  > I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer. fortunately you only need to farm out the ones out that are under court orders > They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy). these court orders usually work by getting end user ISPs (which are regulated) to block or reroute the IP and/or DNS entry neither of which can be realistically done due to conscious decisions by cloudflare