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Just don't push your luck. There are a lot of people -- usually women -- who travel the world to prove the goodness of humanity and get killed by some rando alo

by esafak 10mo ago

Just don't push your luck. There are a lot of people -- usually women -- who travel the world to prove the goodness of humanity and get killed by some rando along the way. Look up Pippa Bacca.

SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago
I wonder what the rate of "getting killed by some rando along the way" actually is. Sure, lots of anecdotes, and I don't really know how you'd measure it, but I'm curious how it plays out by the real numbers.
- dheera 10mo ago
  s/killed/harassed/ and the numbers are pretty damn high at least in my circle
  - SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago
    The rate of being killed is pretty damn high in your circle? What is s/killed? Or is it just a harassment issue? If it's so high, why keep doing it? I'm struggling to understand the risk/reward, and what the risk actually is compared to what it's perceived to be.
    - bryanlarsen 10mo ago
      s/foo/bar/ is search & replace foo with bar. So yes, they're saying the rate of harassment is high. Even if we posit that >99% of men aren't harassers, a solo female traveler is going to encounter a lot more than 100 men, so is quite likely to be harassed.
      - SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago
        > s/foo/bar/ is search & replace foo with bar. Ah, thank you.
- JackFr 10mo ago
  For men I suspect the “killed by a rando” number is pretty low, but robbery/theft is very high. Of course if you have nothing to steal, that does insulate you a little. For women I suspect the “killed by a rando” number is low, but the sexual assault number is higher.
buellerbueller 10mo ago
>There are a lot of people -- usually women -- who want to travel the world to prove the goodness of humanity and get killed by some rando along the way. "Wont someone think of the (lots of?) women?" Honestly: how are you defining "a lot" here? A dozen or two? That's a vanishingly small proportion of humanity, my friend. And would you even hear the tales of those who travel the world and don't get killed? I am just saying that you are making a big claim, but provide no evidence.
- reaperducer 10mo ago
  They're human beings, not numbers or statistics. Or would you have us believe that a certain number of these kinds of murders are OK, because they're just "rounding errors" or "edge cases?" What's the over/under number?
  - JKCalhoun 10mo ago
    Of course they're human beings. I think the point is, should you, statistically, live a life of fear based on possibly negligible odds of death or assault?
    - roadside_picnic 10mo ago
      > negligible odds of death or assault? Negligible odds of death I'll buy, but a very large number of my women friends over my life have been sexually assaulted (and probably far more than I realize, it's not like it's something you bring up during holiday dinner). I'm often shocked by how few men realize how prevalent this is. The idea that "women who aren't comfortably traveling the world alone depending on the kindness of strangers are living a life ruled by fear" seems naive at best. Even back in the days when hitchhiking was much more common you would almost never see a single woman by herself, for good reason.
      - JKCalhoun 10mo ago
        I'm male and I was speaking of males (male friends and co-workers for example).
JKCalhoun 10mo ago
I can think of one example. There are likely hundreds of thousands of non-examples though. You get one life. If you choose to live it to maximize personal safety you'll never know all the wonders you sat out.

by esafak 10mo ago

Just don't push your luck. There are a lot of people -- usually women -- who travel the world to prove the goodness of humanity and get killed by some rando along the way. Look up Pippa Bacca.

SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago

I wonder what the rate of "getting killed by some rando along the way" actually is. Sure, lots of anecdotes, and I don't really know how you'd measure it, but I'm curious how it plays out by the real numbers.

dheera 10mo ago
s/killed/harassed/ and the numbers are pretty damn high at least in my circle
- SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago
  The rate of being killed is pretty damn high in your circle? What is s/killed? Or is it just a harassment issue? If it's so high, why keep doing it? I'm struggling to understand the risk/reward, and what the risk actually is compared to what it's perceived to be.
  - bryanlarsen 10mo ago
    s/foo/bar/ is search & replace foo with bar. So yes, they're saying the rate of harassment is high. Even if we posit that >99% of men aren't harassers, a solo female traveler is going to encounter a lot more than 100 men, so is quite likely to be harassed.
    - SketchySeaBeast 10mo ago
      > s/foo/bar/ is search & replace foo with bar. Ah, thank you.
JackFr 10mo ago
For men I suspect the “killed by a rando” number is pretty low, but robbery/theft is very high. Of course if you have nothing to steal, that does insulate you a little. For women I suspect the “killed by a rando” number is low, but the sexual assault number is higher.

buellerbueller 10mo ago

>There are a lot of people -- usually women -- who want to travel the world to prove the goodness of humanity and get killed by some rando along the way. "Wont someone think of the (lots of?) women?" Honestly: how are you defining "a lot" here? A dozen or two? That's a vanishingly small proportion of humanity, my friend. And would you even hear the tales of those who travel the world and don't get killed? I am just saying that you are making a big claim, but provide no evidence.

reaperducer 10mo ago
They're human beings, not numbers or statistics. Or would you have us believe that a certain number of these kinds of murders are OK, because they're just "rounding errors" or "edge cases?" What's the over/under number?
- JKCalhoun 10mo ago
  Of course they're human beings. I think the point is, should you, statistically, live a life of fear based on possibly negligible odds of death or assault?
  - roadside_picnic 10mo ago
    > negligible odds of death or assault? Negligible odds of death I'll buy, but a very large number of my women friends over my life have been sexually assaulted (and probably far more than I realize, it's not like it's something you bring up during holiday dinner). I'm often shocked by how few men realize how prevalent this is. The idea that "women who aren't comfortably traveling the world alone depending on the kindness of strangers are living a life ruled by fear" seems naive at best. Even back in the days when hitchhiking was much more common you would almost never see a single woman by herself, for good reason.
    - JKCalhoun 10mo ago
      I'm male and I was speaking of males (male friends and co-workers for example).

JKCalhoun 10mo ago

I can think of one example. There are likely hundreds of thousands of non-examples though. You get one life. If you choose to live it to maximize personal safety you'll never know all the wonders you sat out.