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I assume if you come with money, everything is possible. Also, you don't have to get support from the same company: There is no artificial monopoly in FLOSS unl

by fsflover 10mo ago

I assume if you come with money, everything is possible. Also, you don't have to get support from the same company: There is no artificial monopoly in FLOSS unlike with proprietary software.

carlosjobim 10mo ago
I could purchase the fully fledged OS X operating system as a consumer for $20, and get customer support for it. Now the OS is free with customer support. > There is no artificial monopoly in FLOSS I don't care about that as a consumer. I want software / a computer which works and easy customer support if I need it. People are very willing to pay for that, but there is no such FLOSS offering as far as I know. Because FLOSS developers hate consumers and worship corporate enterprises.
- fsflover 10mo ago
  > I don't care about that as a consumer. Until this happens: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075. Or, worse, this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114 or this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46322556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46322556. Megacorps don't care about your requests for support. > People are very willing to pay for that, but there is no such FLOSS offering as far as I know https://www.debian.org/consultants/ https://www.debian.org/consultants/ https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/hardware/certified-hardware/certified-hardware.html https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/hardware/certified-h... and much more. Have you tried using search?
  - carlosjobim 10mo ago
    This all seems like enterprise solutions. As a consumer, I shouldn't have to look at a list of consultants, as if I was trying to find support for a heavy industrial machine. FLOSS or non-FLOSS, there is no real European consumer offering for an operating system. That should be the starting point for people who want a thriving European IT industry. It could very well be based on Linux or whatever. But consumers need support. They need a phone numbers they can call and an e-mail addresses they can write to. Focusing on consumers instead of corporate or academia is how Apple became so successful.
    - fsflover 10mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxedo_Computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxedo_Computers
      - carlosjobim 10mo ago
        Very good example!

I assume if you come with money, everything is possible. Also, you don't have to get support from the same company: There is no artificial monopoly in FLOSS unlike with proprietary software.

carlosjobim 10mo ago

I could purchase the fully fledged OS X operating system as a consumer for $20, and get customer support for it. Now the OS is free with customer support. > There is no artificial monopoly in FLOSS I don't care about that as a consumer. I want software / a computer which works and easy customer support if I need it. People are very willing to pay for that, but there is no such FLOSS offering as far as I know. Because FLOSS developers hate consumers and worship corporate enterprises.

fsflover 10mo ago
> I don't care about that as a consumer. Until this happens: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075. Or, worse, this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114 or this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46322556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46322556. Megacorps don't care about your requests for support. > People are very willing to pay for that, but there is no such FLOSS offering as far as I know https://www.debian.org/consultants/ https://www.debian.org/consultants/ https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/hardware/certified-hardware/certified-hardware.html https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/hardware/certified-h... and much more. Have you tried using search?
- carlosjobim 10mo ago
  This all seems like enterprise solutions. As a consumer, I shouldn't have to look at a list of consultants, as if I was trying to find support for a heavy industrial machine. FLOSS or non-FLOSS, there is no real European consumer offering for an operating system. That should be the starting point for people who want a thriving European IT industry. It could very well be based on Linux or whatever. But consumers need support. They need a phone numbers they can call and an e-mail addresses they can write to. Focusing on consumers instead of corporate or academia is how Apple became so successful.
  - fsflover 10mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxedo_Computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxedo_Computers
    - carlosjobim 10mo ago
      Very good example!