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by lm28469 10mo ago

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matt-p 10mo ago
All of a sudden??
- lm28469 10mo ago
  When a was a teenager, not so long ago really, everyone wanted to move the US and saw them as a global cultural power. The only people who truly disliked them were a minority anti capitalists, most people had positive views about Americans. Now wherever I look at, from far left to far right, virtually no one fully support the BS they're currently pushing, even the usual bootlicking lapdogs are staying silent. In recent German polls about which countries are considered partners the US is barely ahead of Russia.
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  - rich_sasha 10mo ago
    > In recent German polls about which countries are considered partners the US is barely ahead of Russia. Interesting. I thought AfD is ahead in the polls and very pro-Russian, how do I reconcile these observations?
    - lm28469 10mo ago
      AfD gets 30% of votes, the turnout isn't even 80% so even if we consider 100% of them are brain dead putin balls garglers, which isn't even remotely true, that's 14m people out of ~60m people legally allowed to vote.
      - muwtyhg 10mo ago
        These numbers look pretty similar to Trump's voter base in 2024. He got 49% of the vote from the 60% of the population that can vote, so about 30% of all possible votes.
    - hermanzegerman 10mo ago
      Many people vote for them out of protest against the establishment. Also the typical AfD Voter doesn't like Trump or the US. Especially after they threatened some small port in Eastern Germany with sanctions over North Stream 2 (not that they liked them much before, but that fell on a very fertile soil)
    - ben_w 10mo ago
      > Interesting. I thought AfD is ahead in the polls and very pro-Russian, how do I reconcile these observations? Germany is a multi-party system where no single party is expected to get an absolute majority. AfD polling is around the 25% mark, which is about the same as the other highest contender, but the remaining 50% of the votes do actually count and get representation in government, they're not lost and forgotten, it's not winner-takes-all.
poszlem 10mo ago
Because they no longer have the power to be the good, omnipotent uncle.
close04 10mo ago
Much like Musk, any "organism" that reaches a certain level of power and influence becomes decadent and eventually gets to the point where it stops caring what others think, even for appearances.
- DangitBobby 10mo ago
  Enough people were not enjoying the results of the country's global power that an increasingly irrelevant political party was able to convert generalized angst into effective anti-establishment (anything status quo, doesn't matter what) populist platform. The unreasonable people are enjoying that the correct people are being hurt and that we are belligerently projecting what global power we have left, while "reasonable" people are having every Trumpian move sanewashed through the media they choose to consume. Everyone else (more than half, I suppose) is anywhere from concerned to terrified.
DangitBobby 10mo ago
A lot happened. Trump and his ilk being in power has uniquely facilitated an extended "masks off" period so the rest of the globe has repeated refutations of the US's previous reputation as sometimes belligerent but mostly benevolent. That large swaths of the population could repeatedly openly support the corruption, the vulgarity, the cruelty, and the lawlessness of the administration revealed an unmoored civic/political process at best and underlying cultural and institutional rot at worst. In short, the US has revealed itself to have already declined to a point where it's no longer wise to allow it global hegemony. A dying Republican party, willing to do anything and everything required to remain politically relevant managed to dismantle 70 years of carefully executed foreign policy and unseat us as the global hegemon. From the inside, I feel the cultural rot runs deep, political tension is high even among family, and the institutional inertia will prevent us from making the necessary political reform (end gerrymandering, end legalized bribery, reform our voting system to eliminate the 2 party system) before violent internal conflict occurs.
dredmorbius 10mo ago
As with extremist governments and legislators elsewhere in the world, this is largely messaging for the home base rather than foreign consumption. It's driven by both electoral realities (the US political map and system now favour extreme views), and a level of impunity regarding consequences elsewhere (both within and outside the US).

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matt-p 10mo ago

All of a sudden??

lm28469 10mo ago
When a was a teenager, not so long ago really, everyone wanted to move the US and saw them as a global cultural power. The only people who truly disliked them were a minority anti capitalists, most people had positive views about Americans. Now wherever I look at, from far left to far right, virtually no one fully support the BS they're currently pushing, even the usual bootlicking lapdogs are staying silent. In recent German polls about which countries are considered partners the US is barely ahead of Russia.
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- rich_sasha 10mo ago
  > In recent German polls about which countries are considered partners the US is barely ahead of Russia. Interesting. I thought AfD is ahead in the polls and very pro-Russian, how do I reconcile these observations?
  - lm28469 10mo ago
    AfD gets 30% of votes, the turnout isn't even 80% so even if we consider 100% of them are brain dead putin balls garglers, which isn't even remotely true, that's 14m people out of ~60m people legally allowed to vote.
    - muwtyhg 10mo ago
      These numbers look pretty similar to Trump's voter base in 2024. He got 49% of the vote from the 60% of the population that can vote, so about 30% of all possible votes.
  - hermanzegerman 10mo ago
    Many people vote for them out of protest against the establishment. Also the typical AfD Voter doesn't like Trump or the US. Especially after they threatened some small port in Eastern Germany with sanctions over North Stream 2 (not that they liked them much before, but that fell on a very fertile soil)
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    > Interesting. I thought AfD is ahead in the polls and very pro-Russian, how do I reconcile these observations? Germany is a multi-party system where no single party is expected to get an absolute majority. AfD polling is around the 25% mark, which is about the same as the other highest contender, but the remaining 50% of the votes do actually count and get representation in government, they're not lost and forgotten, it's not winner-takes-all.

poszlem 10mo ago

Because they no longer have the power to be the good, omnipotent uncle.

close04 10mo ago

Much like Musk, any "organism" that reaches a certain level of power and influence becomes decadent and eventually gets to the point where it stops caring what others think, even for appearances.

DangitBobby 10mo ago
Enough people were not enjoying the results of the country's global power that an increasingly irrelevant political party was able to convert generalized angst into effective anti-establishment (anything status quo, doesn't matter what) populist platform. The unreasonable people are enjoying that the correct people are being hurt and that we are belligerently projecting what global power we have left, while "reasonable" people are having every Trumpian move sanewashed through the media they choose to consume. Everyone else (more than half, I suppose) is anywhere from concerned to terrified.

DangitBobby 10mo ago

A lot happened. Trump and his ilk being in power has uniquely facilitated an extended "masks off" period so the rest of the globe has repeated refutations of the US's previous reputation as sometimes belligerent but mostly benevolent. That large swaths of the population could repeatedly openly support the corruption, the vulgarity, the cruelty, and the lawlessness of the administration revealed an unmoored civic/political process at best and underlying cultural and institutional rot at worst. In short, the US has revealed itself to have already declined to a point where it's no longer wise to allow it global hegemony. A dying Republican party, willing to do anything and everything required to remain politically relevant managed to dismantle 70 years of carefully executed foreign policy and unseat us as the global hegemon. From the inside, I feel the cultural rot runs deep, political tension is high even among family, and the institutional inertia will prevent us from making the necessary political reform (end gerrymandering, end legalized bribery, reform our voting system to eliminate the 2 party system) before violent internal conflict occurs.

dredmorbius 10mo ago

As with extremist governments and legislators elsewhere in the world, this is largely messaging for the home base rather than foreign consumption. It's driven by both electoral realities (the US political map and system now favour extreme views), and a level of impunity regarding consequences elsewhere (both within and outside the US).