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What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider i

What part of a TOS is ridiculous? Claude Code is obviously a loss leader to them, but developer momentum / market share is important to them and they consider it worth it. What part of “OpenCode broke the TOS of something well defined” makes you think it’s all Anthropic’s fault?

mnky9800n 10mo ago
My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do now in Claude code irrelevant.
- FuckButtons 10mo ago
  My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do irrelevant. FTFY.
fc417fc802 10mo ago
Poor behavior is still poor behavior even if the relevant ToS aligns with it.
- anamexis 10mo ago
  Why is it poor behavior though?
  - fc417fc802 10mo ago
    Restricting users from using third party tools is commonly viewed as poor behavior. I'm not inclined to rehash that debate here, although I might respond to specific (contextually relevant) counterpoints if you feel like making them.
ForHackernews 10mo ago
Do you think Anthropic followed all the ToS of every website on the internet when scraping them for training data?
- rovr138 10mo ago
  You justify a wrong thing by attacking something else? Is that the only argument?
  - ForHackernews 10mo ago
    I don't feel any need to behave respectfully toward people or institutions that clearly don't respect me.
landl0rd 10mo ago
It's probably not a "loss-leader" so much as "somewhat lower margin". Their bizdev guys are doubtless happy to make a switch between lower-margin, higher-multiple recurring revenue versus higher-margin, lower-multiple pay-as-you-go API billing. Corporate customers with contracts doubtless aren't paying like that for the API either. This is not uncommon.
Ajedi32 10mo ago
When you have a "loss leader" whose sole purpose is to build up market share (e.g. put competitors out of business) that's called predatory pricing.
- anamexis 10mo ago
  Every loss leader's purpose is to build up market share.
  - Ajedi32 10mo ago
    Perhaps in the generic sense that most things a business does are to build up market share that's true. But Costco isn't selling hot dogs for $1.50 in an effort to capture a large share of the hot dog market.
epolanski 10mo ago
I keep hearing those claims that's they lose money on it, but I have more and more doubts about this being true. GPU compute cost has falled down in the last two years a lot.

mnky9800n 10mo ago

My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do now in Claude code irrelevant.

FuckButtons 10mo ago
My guess is that ultimately the use of Claude code will provide the training data to make most of what you do irrelevant. FTFY.

fc417fc802 10mo ago

Poor behavior is still poor behavior even if the relevant ToS aligns with it.

anamexis 10mo ago
Why is it poor behavior though?
- fc417fc802 10mo ago
  Restricting users from using third party tools is commonly viewed as poor behavior. I'm not inclined to rehash that debate here, although I might respond to specific (contextually relevant) counterpoints if you feel like making them.

ForHackernews 10mo ago

Do you think Anthropic followed all the ToS of every website on the internet when scraping them for training data?

rovr138 10mo ago
You justify a wrong thing by attacking something else? Is that the only argument?
- ForHackernews 10mo ago
  I don't feel any need to behave respectfully toward people or institutions that clearly don't respect me.

landl0rd 10mo ago

It's probably not a "loss-leader" so much as "somewhat lower margin". Their bizdev guys are doubtless happy to make a switch between lower-margin, higher-multiple recurring revenue versus higher-margin, lower-multiple pay-as-you-go API billing. Corporate customers with contracts doubtless aren't paying like that for the API either. This is not uncommon.

Ajedi32 10mo ago

When you have a "loss leader" whose sole purpose is to build up market share (e.g. put competitors out of business) that's called predatory pricing.

anamexis 10mo ago
Every loss leader's purpose is to build up market share.
- Ajedi32 10mo ago
  Perhaps in the generic sense that most things a business does are to build up market share that's true. But Costco isn't selling hot dogs for $1.50 in an effort to capture a large share of the hot dog market.

epolanski 10mo ago

I keep hearing those claims that's they lose money on it, but I have more and more doubts about this being true. GPU compute cost has falled down in the last two years a lot.