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> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" You mean the group that sneaked in and damaged a bunch of UK Military’s planes on a military base? Wa

> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" You mean the group that sneaked in and damaged a bunch of UK Military’s planes on a military base? Was this the action that put them into the terrorist category?

_vqpz 9mo ago
"Damaged a bunch of UK Military's planes" == spray painted two planes
- veeti 9mo ago
  Spray painting a jet engine causes millions in damages, but it's a cute sleight of hand to insinuate it's just some graffiti on a wall or something.
  - _vqpz 9mo ago
    You don't actually know how much it cost, you just believe what the police say despite the fact that they've provided no figures.
avianlyric 9mo ago
Not quite in the same league as IS, Al-Qaeda etc etc. Used to be a organisation had to murder and terrorise an entire population, or fly planes into city centres. Apparently our standards have dropped so low that spray painting a couple of planes and embarrassing the UK military now puts you on par with those other organisations.
- uhhhd 9mo ago
  Yes supporting the Islamists puts you in the same league as the Islamists.
amiga386 9mo ago
Yes. They're a bunch of violent criminals. But that's not the point. There are lots of violent criminals who harm businesses and injure, or even kill people. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. It's not illegal to say "I support <name of criminal or criminal gang>", even if people strongly disagree with you. However, by showing they could break into an RAF base and spraypaint the planes - that says to me that the RAF are completely shit at their job, how can they protect their base from Russians if they can't even keep out local criminals - embarrassed the Government, and the government retaliated by making it illegal to say you support them. Say it out loud? Criminal. Wear a t-shirt? Criminal. Hold a placard? Criminal. Might as well just hold up blank sheets of paper and wait for the police to arrest you because they know what you want to write on them, like they do in Russia. To me, that's a free speech issue. What an affront to free speech it is. Saying you support criminal scumbags should not be a crime. You should be able to say you support a bunch of violent yahoos, to whoever will listen to you, and I should be able to laugh at you and call you a simpleton for your idiot beliefs.
- kolektiv 9mo ago
  I'm not sure they've been shown to be violent (unless you consider damage to property as violence- I know some do, but personally my "things are just things" stance limits violence to actions which impact people, who matter. Broadly speaking though, I agree. What they did was criminal damage, undoubtedly, I have no problem arresting and prosecuting people for that. But I don't believe that it's terrorism, nor that it would have been so unpopular had it not been bloody embarrassing for the armed forces. Honestly, bolt cutters and some paint should not be grounding some of your air defence.
  - amiga386 9mo ago
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o > Giving evidence earlier, he said the group's only intention was to "break in, cause as much damage to the factory as possible, destroy weapons and prevent the factory from reopening". I count "causing as much damage as possible" to be violent. While I think graffiti taggers "damage property" but are non-violent. But in many places, rival gangs blow up/set alight/demolish their rivals' homes/businesses/vehicles, etc. That counts as pretty strong violence to me, even if no people are injured. Anyway, talking of people being injured, watch a member of Palestine Action (Samuel Corner, 23, Oxford University graduate) drive a sledgehammer into a police seargent while she's trying to arrest his comrade: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo Full video, sledgehammer attack at 3m05s to 3m10s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw I'd designate them as a terrorist group for destroying factories, not so much for spraypainting planes. But I'd still support your right to say you support them, even though I'd disagree.
giraffe_lady 9mo ago
Damaging military equipment is the farthest thing from terrorism. That's literally the one thing that can never be terrorism.
davedx 9mo ago
If your standard for designating someone a terrorist is "they did something quite naughty" - go at it.

_vqpz 9mo ago

"Damaged a bunch of UK Military's planes" == spray painted two planes

veeti 9mo ago
Spray painting a jet engine causes millions in damages, but it's a cute sleight of hand to insinuate it's just some graffiti on a wall or something.
- _vqpz 9mo ago
  You don't actually know how much it cost, you just believe what the police say despite the fact that they've provided no figures.

avianlyric 9mo ago

Not quite in the same league as IS, Al-Qaeda etc etc. Used to be a organisation had to murder and terrorise an entire population, or fly planes into city centres. Apparently our standards have dropped so low that spray painting a couple of planes and embarrassing the UK military now puts you on par with those other organisations.

uhhhd 9mo ago
Yes supporting the Islamists puts you in the same league as the Islamists.

amiga386 9mo ago

Yes. They're a bunch of violent criminals. But that's not the point. There are lots of violent criminals who harm businesses and injure, or even kill people. They should be prosecuted and imprisoned. It's not illegal to say "I support <name of criminal or criminal gang>", even if people strongly disagree with you. However, by showing they could break into an RAF base and spraypaint the planes - that says to me that the RAF are completely shit at their job, how can they protect their base from Russians if they can't even keep out local criminals - embarrassed the Government, and the government retaliated by making it illegal to say you support them. Say it out loud? Criminal. Wear a t-shirt? Criminal. Hold a placard? Criminal. Might as well just hold up blank sheets of paper and wait for the police to arrest you because they know what you want to write on them, like they do in Russia. To me, that's a free speech issue. What an affront to free speech it is. Saying you support criminal scumbags should not be a crime. You should be able to say you support a bunch of violent yahoos, to whoever will listen to you, and I should be able to laugh at you and call you a simpleton for your idiot beliefs.

kolektiv 9mo ago
I'm not sure they've been shown to be violent (unless you consider damage to property as violence- I know some do, but personally my "things are just things" stance limits violence to actions which impact people, who matter. Broadly speaking though, I agree. What they did was criminal damage, undoubtedly, I have no problem arresting and prosecuting people for that. But I don't believe that it's terrorism, nor that it would have been so unpopular had it not been bloody embarrassing for the armed forces. Honestly, bolt cutters and some paint should not be grounding some of your air defence.
- amiga386 9mo ago
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o > Giving evidence earlier, he said the group's only intention was to "break in, cause as much damage to the factory as possible, destroy weapons and prevent the factory from reopening". I count "causing as much damage as possible" to be violent. While I think graffiti taggers "damage property" but are non-violent. But in many places, rival gangs blow up/set alight/demolish their rivals' homes/businesses/vehicles, etc. That counts as pretty strong violence to me, even if no people are injured. Anyway, talking of people being injured, watch a member of Palestine Action (Samuel Corner, 23, Oxford University graduate) drive a sledgehammer into a police seargent while she's trying to arrest his comrade: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo Full video, sledgehammer attack at 3m05s to 3m10s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw I'd designate them as a terrorist group for destroying factories, not so much for spraypainting planes. But I'd still support your right to say you support them, even though I'd disagree.

giraffe_lady 9mo ago

Damaging military equipment is the farthest thing from terrorism. That's literally the one thing that can never be terrorism.

davedx 9mo ago

If your standard for designating someone a terrorist is "they did something quite naughty" - go at it.