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> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers. It is strange how mu

> these days anyone who says "I support Palestine Action" They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers. It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support and not Israel. If people wanted to support Palestine they can do it without attacking their own countries' military - which is not operating in Israel at all. > "she was murdered by ICE" They have a video of her being shot, pretty much needlessly. I'd say that should be manslaughter at a minimum.

Y_Y 9mo ago
Congratulations, you've reached the level of "terrorist well-wisher"
- flumpcakes 9mo ago
  Is there something you disagree with? My opinions were pretty neutral.
  - simondotau 9mo ago
    The internet is where every issue is a binary, nuance is scorned, and moderate views are weakness. You should know this already.
    - HPsquared 9mo ago
      It's like Hamlet. "To upvote, or to downvote".
    - iso1631 9mo ago
      "centrist dad" is apparently an insult
      - hackable_sand 9mo ago
        The only positive quality to centrists and moderates is their endurance of sledgehammer attacks.
  - Y_Y 9mo ago
    I just felt you didn't quite reach the criteria for "terrorist sympathizer" outlined above. I don't make the rules!
  - megous 9mo ago
    UK military is operating in Palestine (very frequent military flights from their post-colonial base in Cyprus), and is operating in Israel (when they were shooting down drones, etc.), and is supplying Israel with weapons (directly by soldier training and indirectly by allowing to use their military bases), and joined in international coverup (they have detailed intelligence on what Israel was doing in Gaza, which they never released publicly any part of). Pretty solid basis for direct action. If they provided this level of support for Russia, they'd be a new Belarus.
    - dgroshev 9mo ago
      Equating surveillance flights off the coast with "operating in the country" is tenuous at best. If that's the threshold, Russian military is already operating in Britain (see Yantar's adventures). The mental effort a lot of people has made to pretend they aren't entirely powerless and irrelevant for stopping Israel's crimes is deeply impressive. The reality is that there's nothing the UK can do to stop Israel as long as the US is supporting them (short of going to war with both the US and Israel), but this reality is at odds with the desire to do something, so people invent and inflate leverage where there isn't any. Moreover, most of the time the very same people oppose creating more leverage for the future, as your added qualifier of "post-colonial" implies. It's depressing.
      - megous 9mo ago
        It's not off the coast, they're circling directly over the territory of Palestine, without invitation from Palestinian state, and against interests of Palestinians. Post-colonial only implies that Cyprus was a UK colony, and now is not, but still retains some bases in there.
philipwhiuk 9mo ago
> It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support How is direct action on Palestine impacting Ukraine support? (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)
- flumpcakes 9mo ago
  > (We are also not intervening in Ukraine) Not direct intervention; but we fly sorties, provide intelligence, ship military equipment, build systems for... None of which we provide Israel for their current war. It's just odd to me that Israel draws so much Ire when the UK deals with all sorts. There are many worse things happening that doesn't get a second of airtime.
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- temp8830 9mo ago
  > We are also not intervening in Ukraine Hahhahaha. Hahaha. Ha. The cost of this non-intervention is now at almost $200B, is it not? I guess this money went to elves?
femiagbabiaka 9mo ago
The UK military is and has been operating in Gaza, the UK government is just lying about it. Public flight tracking data makes it obvious.
- flumpcakes 9mo ago
  That's a big statement to make - do you have any credible sources on that?
  - barnabee 9mo ago
    At a minimum the RAF has operated hundreds of surveillance flights over Gaza. Multiple sources linked on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_wa...
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    - duggan 9mo ago
      "Robot boots 30,000 feet above the ground" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
      - femiagbabiaka 9mo ago
        I guess those Russian drones in Ukraine aren’t military combatants then?
        flumpcakes 9mo ago
        Well the Russian drones are munitions, so that's not comparable. Is the UK dropping bombs on Gaza? I have seen zero reporting to say they have. The UK might be flying spy planes outside it's airspace when it's citizens were kidnapped. That's not a "combatant". Was the UK a combatant when flying spy planes near the Ukraine border? I think you are way off the mark based on reporting, I'm not even sure how you are coming to these stated opinions.
gghhzzgghhzz 9mo ago
"They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers" Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'? I've heard a lot about this, but it's difficult to get to actual sources about exactly what is alleged. Even if this did happen as you say. attachking police with sledgehammers is assault, potentially even attempted murder. There's plenty of laws for that. It's not terrorism.
- amiga386 9mo ago
  > Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'? You should be less flippant. The accused's name is Samuel Corner. He and his friends are still on trial for their actions. Here's the bodycam footage where you see Samuel Corner attack police seargent Kate Evans with a sledgehammer while she was on the ground, fracturing her spine. Watch from 3m05s to 3m10s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw The police seargent is now disabled: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo > It's not terrorism. The group's stated aim is to stop the UK or any UK companies giving Israel any military support. They target companies who they think supply Israel. They break in and smash them, and as you've hopefully just seen with your own eyes, they are not afraid to attack people with sledgehammers. They use violence to achieve their political aim. They are terrorists and belong in prison. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o > Samuel Corner, 23, [...] Oxford University graduate from Devon [...] when asked why he struck Sgt Evans with the sledgehammer, he replied: "It was me not really knowing what I was doing Thanks Samuel. That Oxford degree really shows, doesn't it?
  - RugnirViking 9mo ago
    The quote from the article continues. You cut it off. "It was me not really knowing what I was doing, I was trying to protect Leona, or Zoe. I couldn't tell who was screaming." "My friends were in danger and they [the police] were getting quite hands-on. "I remember just feeling like I had to help somehow. I would never think to do that to someone, I was just trying to help," he said. I don't have any opinion on this but I think its important to have the full quote
15155 9mo ago
> They have a video of her being shot Why was her vehicle in gear, engine running?
- z0r 9mo ago
  Not that your comment is relevant, but why is there a narrative of obstruction when you can visibly see Renee Good wave another truck by moments before she was killed? https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q7cg7o/minneapolis_ice_shooter_can_be_seen_walking/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q7cg7o/minneapolis_ic...
  - 1234letshaveatw 9mo ago
    See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2026/01/09/us-news/dramatic-footage-from-ice-agents-phone-shows-fiery-confrontation-between-renee-nicole-good-wife-seconds-before-minneapolis-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/09/us-news/dramatic-footage-from-...
    - z0r 9mo ago
      The newly released footage is truly a political Rorschach test. It is unbelievable to me that anyone without diminished mental capabilities could believe that exonerates the camera man.
internet_points 9mo ago
I find it horrifying (though not surprising) how many people can assume that just because you express some level of support for a group, you are complicit in all actions taken by that group. In the extreme, that sort of view makes it impossible to have criminal lawyers. (And not far below that extreme, we have people using all their power to go after independent judges and lawyers with every extrajudicial tool at their disposal, legal system be damned.) The nuance between speech and action was one of the many casualties of social media. I wonder if, back in the 90's, people would get arrested for holding "FREE KEVIN MITNICK" posters, if we'd had two decades of social media before it.

Y_Y 9mo ago

Congratulations, you've reached the level of "terrorist well-wisher"

flumpcakes 9mo ago
Is there something you disagree with? My opinions were pretty neutral.
- simondotau 9mo ago
  The internet is where every issue is a binary, nuance is scorned, and moderate views are weakness. You should know this already.
  - HPsquared 9mo ago
    It's like Hamlet. "To upvote, or to downvote".
  - iso1631 9mo ago
    "centrist dad" is apparently an insult
    - hackable_sand 9mo ago
      The only positive quality to centrists and moderates is their endurance of sledgehammer attacks.
- Y_Y 9mo ago
  I just felt you didn't quite reach the criteria for "terrorist sympathizer" outlined above. I don't make the rules!
- megous 9mo ago
  UK military is operating in Palestine (very frequent military flights from their post-colonial base in Cyprus), and is operating in Israel (when they were shooting down drones, etc.), and is supplying Israel with weapons (directly by soldier training and indirectly by allowing to use their military bases), and joined in international coverup (they have detailed intelligence on what Israel was doing in Gaza, which they never released publicly any part of). Pretty solid basis for direct action. If they provided this level of support for Russia, they'd be a new Belarus.
  - dgroshev 9mo ago
    Equating surveillance flights off the coast with "operating in the country" is tenuous at best. If that's the threshold, Russian military is already operating in Britain (see Yantar's adventures). The mental effort a lot of people has made to pretend they aren't entirely powerless and irrelevant for stopping Israel's crimes is deeply impressive. The reality is that there's nothing the UK can do to stop Israel as long as the US is supporting them (short of going to war with both the US and Israel), but this reality is at odds with the desire to do something, so people invent and inflate leverage where there isn't any. Moreover, most of the time the very same people oppose creating more leverage for the future, as your added qualifier of "post-colonial" implies. It's depressing.
    - megous 9mo ago
      It's not off the coast, they're circling directly over the territory of Palestine, without invitation from Palestinian state, and against interests of Palestinians. Post-colonial only implies that Cyprus was a UK colony, and now is not, but still retains some bases in there.

philipwhiuk 9mo ago

> It is strange how much of this 'direction action' is harming Ukraine support How is direct action on Palestine impacting Ukraine support? (We are also not intervening in Ukraine)

flumpcakes 9mo ago
> (We are also not intervening in Ukraine) Not direct intervention; but we fly sorties, provide intelligence, ship military equipment, build systems for... None of which we provide Israel for their current war. It's just odd to me that Israel draws so much Ire when the UK deals with all sorts. There are many worse things happening that doesn't get a second of airtime.
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temp8830 9mo ago
> We are also not intervening in Ukraine Hahhahaha. Hahaha. Ha. The cost of this non-intervention is now at almost $200B, is it not? I guess this money went to elves?

femiagbabiaka 9mo ago

The UK military is and has been operating in Gaza, the UK government is just lying about it. Public flight tracking data makes it obvious.

flumpcakes 9mo ago
That's a big statement to make - do you have any credible sources on that?
- barnabee 9mo ago
  At a minimum the RAF has operated hundreds of surveillance flights over Gaza. Multiple sources linked on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_Gaza_wa...
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  - duggan 9mo ago
    "Robot boots 30,000 feet above the ground" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
    - femiagbabiaka 9mo ago
      I guess those Russian drones in Ukraine aren’t military combatants then?
      - flumpcakes 9mo ago
        Well the Russian drones are munitions, so that's not comparable. Is the UK dropping bombs on Gaza? I have seen zero reporting to say they have. The UK might be flying spy planes outside it's airspace when it's citizens were kidnapped. That's not a "combatant". Was the UK a combatant when flying spy planes near the Ukraine border? I think you are way off the mark based on reporting, I'm not even sure how you are coming to these stated opinions.

gghhzzgghhzz 9mo ago

"They have a video of people from this group attacking police with sledgehammers" Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'? I've heard a lot about this, but it's difficult to get to actual sources about exactly what is alleged. Even if this did happen as you say. attachking police with sledgehammers is assault, potentially even attempted murder. There's plenty of laws for that. It's not terrorism.

amiga386 9mo ago
> Do you have the name or names of the person accused of 'attacking police with sledgehammers'? You should be less flippant. The accused's name is Samuel Corner. He and his friends are still on trial for their actions. Here's the bodycam footage where you see Samuel Corner attack police seargent Kate Evans with a sledgehammer while she was on the ground, fracturing her spine. Watch from 3m05s to 3m10s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6P7p_5D4hw The police seargent is now disabled: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g54g1r15eo > It's not terrorism. The group's stated aim is to stop the UK or any UK companies giving Israel any military support. They target companies who they think supply Israel. They break in and smash them, and as you've hopefully just seen with your own eyes, they are not afraid to attack people with sledgehammers. They use violence to achieve their political aim. They are terrorists and belong in prison. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dzq41n4l9o > Samuel Corner, 23, [...] Oxford University graduate from Devon [...] when asked why he struck Sgt Evans with the sledgehammer, he replied: "It was me not really knowing what I was doing Thanks Samuel. That Oxford degree really shows, doesn't it?
- RugnirViking 9mo ago
  The quote from the article continues. You cut it off. "It was me not really knowing what I was doing, I was trying to protect Leona, or Zoe. I couldn't tell who was screaming." "My friends were in danger and they [the police] were getting quite hands-on. "I remember just feeling like I had to help somehow. I would never think to do that to someone, I was just trying to help," he said. I don't have any opinion on this but I think its important to have the full quote

15155 9mo ago

> They have a video of her being shot Why was her vehicle in gear, engine running?

z0r 9mo ago
Not that your comment is relevant, but why is there a narrative of obstruction when you can visibly see Renee Good wave another truck by moments before she was killed? https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q7cg7o/minneapolis_ice_shooter_can_be_seen_walking/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q7cg7o/minneapolis_ic...
- 1234letshaveatw 9mo ago
  See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2026/01/09/us-news/dramatic-footage-from-ice-agents-phone-shows-fiery-confrontation-between-renee-nicole-good-wife-seconds-before-minneapolis-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2026/01/09/us-news/dramatic-footage-from-...
  - z0r 9mo ago
    The newly released footage is truly a political Rorschach test. It is unbelievable to me that anyone without diminished mental capabilities could believe that exonerates the camera man.

internet_points 9mo ago

I find it horrifying (though not surprising) how many people can assume that just because you express some level of support for a group, you are complicit in all actions taken by that group. In the extreme, that sort of view makes it impossible to have criminal lawyers. (And not far below that extreme, we have people using all their power to go after independent judges and lawyers with every extrajudicial tool at their disposal, legal system be damned.) The nuance between speech and action was one of the many casualties of social media. I wonder if, back in the 90's, people would get arrested for holding "FREE KEVIN MITNICK" posters, if we'd had two decades of social media before it.