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Maybe the EU can develop its own version of Linux OS, just like North Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_O

Maybe the EU can develop its own version of Linux OS, just like North Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS -- edit When legislators start getting involved they will want to inevitably have their "own" version of something and their own SLAs and contracts. The reason they went with Microsoft/IBM/Oracle and others back in the day for software solutions is; they know on a piece of paper what they are getting, and who they can blame if they don't get it. With Opensource OS and software, even with auditing and stuff, there is no way to blame anyone apart from end-users. For politicians and bureacracts, that is a scary thing, as they will be the ones to blame (read: asses on the line) The consultation is great and all but As someone who has watched on the sidelines how Opensource governance turns projects into hydra monsters (Redhat, Jakarta EE). I wouldn't be surprised in a few years we will have a EU approved OS that is controlled by bureaucracts. But who knows, maybe they will just become end users of a popular distro and other opensource software.

juliangmp 10mo ago
What for? Plenty of maintainers for various distros are from Europe and/or the EU. For example: https://map.debian.net/ https://map.debian.net/
- Mashimo 10mo ago
  What is this map? Almost every city in DK and Sweden shows "Kåre Olsen"
supermatt 10mo ago
Finland (where Linux comes from) is in the EU. There are also a few European linux distributions you may have heard of: e.g. Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu (UK), Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia, Knoppix, etc.
- RobotToaster 10mo ago
  > Ubuntu (UK) This is an EU initiative, Ubuntu probably isn't included.
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- u8080 10mo ago
  How is Linux related to Finland? Just because some of early contributors was born in Finland?
  - supermatt 10mo ago
    It was literally created by Torvalds (a Finn) while at the university of Helsinki (in Finland).
    - u8080 10mo ago
      I am not claiming "invention", my whole point here is that place of origin means nothing, especially for a FOSS project - despite Linus being important part of it. If we talk about OS being independent from US, the culprit is where does control(both in terms of technology and legislation) comes from. Main contributors are US companies(technological control) while Linus is obligated to comply to US laws and decisions as US citizen.
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      - supermatt 10mo ago
        Active kernel contributors are spread all around the world, with a pretty even distribution across USA, Western Europe and Asia. Your suggestion that the US government would lean on the citizenship of Torvalds in order to exert control over the kernel should be laughable but I concede that anything is possible these days.
        u8080 10mo ago
        It is not laughable, Linux directly complies with SDN list[1] and US sanction policy(i.e. removing of russian developers by Linus). Thus, US does have and execute control over Linux kernel currently. [1] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regulations-and-open-source-us-ofac-sanctions https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regul...
embedding-shape 10mo ago
Is all the distributions where most core developers already live in Europe/EU not enough for you? Take a look at where most of the active contributors live for some distributions, and I think you'd be surprised :)
- tomaytotomato 10mo ago
  With my original flippant comment I was trying to highlight that despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators. When legislators start getting involved they will want to inevitably have their "own" version of something and their own SLAs and contracts. The reason they went with Microsoft/IBM/Oracle and others back in the day for software solutions is; they know on a piece of paper what they are getting, and who they can blame if they don't get it. With Opensource OS and software, even with auditing and stuff, there is no way to blame anyone apart from end-users. For politicians and bureacracts, that is a scary thing, as they will be the ones to blame (read: asses on the line) The consultation is great and all but I am skeptical, so I wouldn't be surprised in a few years we will have a EU approved OS that is controlled by bureaucracts. Hence my comparison to North Korea's Linux distro
  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    > despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators. But despite that, they exist today, successfully so, and continue being funded by the very people you claim they should stay away from. I'm not sure if you looked into how this whole "funding FOSS" thing works like, but governments are not opening a fund, letting any FOSS developer expense stuff to it and calling it a day. Usually they contract a company to work on things, that then end up FOSS. Even if the end result is FOSS or not, they have the same people they can blame if they want to, the people they paid for certain results. The license of the finished thing doesn't change who's responsible for doing the job they've been paid to do. I think until you actually understanding how the funding works, it would be fair to avoid doing flippant comments who basically only try to add some fuel to some fire, with some completely out of place comparison to a NK Linux distribution.
torginus 10mo ago
I don't get it - do you think the US government doesn't have homegrown linux distros?

juliangmp 10mo ago

What for? Plenty of maintainers for various distros are from Europe and/or the EU. For example: https://map.debian.net/ https://map.debian.net/

Mashimo 10mo ago
What is this map? Almost every city in DK and Sweden shows "Kåre Olsen"

supermatt 10mo ago

Finland (where Linux comes from) is in the EU. There are also a few European linux distributions you may have heard of: e.g. Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu (UK), Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia, Knoppix, etc.

RobotToaster 10mo ago
> Ubuntu (UK) This is an EU initiative, Ubuntu probably isn't included.
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u8080 10mo ago
How is Linux related to Finland? Just because some of early contributors was born in Finland?
- supermatt 10mo ago
  It was literally created by Torvalds (a Finn) while at the university of Helsinki (in Finland).
  - u8080 10mo ago
    I am not claiming "invention", my whole point here is that place of origin means nothing, especially for a FOSS project - despite Linus being important part of it. If we talk about OS being independent from US, the culprit is where does control(both in terms of technology and legislation) comes from. Main contributors are US companies(technological control) while Linus is obligated to comply to US laws and decisions as US citizen.
    - deleted 10mo ago
      [deleted]
    - supermatt 10mo ago
      Active kernel contributors are spread all around the world, with a pretty even distribution across USA, Western Europe and Asia. Your suggestion that the US government would lean on the citizenship of Torvalds in order to exert control over the kernel should be laughable but I concede that anything is possible these days.
      - u8080 10mo ago
        It is not laughable, Linux directly complies with SDN list[1] and US sanction policy(i.e. removing of russian developers by Linus). Thus, US does have and execute control over Linux kernel currently. [1] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regulations-and-open-source-us-ofac-sanctions https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/navigating-global-regul...

embedding-shape 10mo ago

Is all the distributions where most core developers already live in Europe/EU not enough for you? Take a look at where most of the active contributors live for some distributions, and I think you'd be surprised :)

tomaytotomato 10mo ago
With my original flippant comment I was trying to highlight that despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators. When legislators start getting involved they will want to inevitably have their "own" version of something and their own SLAs and contracts. The reason they went with Microsoft/IBM/Oracle and others back in the day for software solutions is; they know on a piece of paper what they are getting, and who they can blame if they don't get it. With Opensource OS and software, even with auditing and stuff, there is no way to blame anyone apart from end-users. For politicians and bureacracts, that is a scary thing, as they will be the ones to blame (read: asses on the line) The consultation is great and all but I am skeptical, so I wouldn't be surprised in a few years we will have a EU approved OS that is controlled by bureaucracts. Hence my comparison to North Korea's Linux distro
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  > despite the many Opensource projects and the many awesome people who contribute to them, they should stay at arms length from EU and its legislators. But despite that, they exist today, successfully so, and continue being funded by the very people you claim they should stay away from. I'm not sure if you looked into how this whole "funding FOSS" thing works like, but governments are not opening a fund, letting any FOSS developer expense stuff to it and calling it a day. Usually they contract a company to work on things, that then end up FOSS. Even if the end result is FOSS or not, they have the same people they can blame if they want to, the people they paid for certain results. The license of the finished thing doesn't change who's responsible for doing the job they've been paid to do. I think until you actually understanding how the funding works, it would be fair to avoid doing flippant comments who basically only try to add some fuel to some fire, with some completely out of place comparison to a NK Linux distribution.

torginus 10mo ago

I don't get it - do you think the US government doesn't have homegrown linux distros?