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What does "Zionist" mean to you? I honestly don't understand what it means when Israel has existed as a Jewish state for 76 years and seems likely to continue d
by UltraSane 10mo ago
What does "Zionist" mean to you? I honestly don't understand what it means when Israel has existed as a Jewish state for 76 years and seems likely to continue doing so for the foreseeable future.
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- mupuff1234 10mo agoCristian evangelicals would be a much better term.
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- UltraSane 10mo agoThis is a very bizarre conspiracy theory definition.
- cess11 10mo agoHow so? Which part do you disagree with, the violent crimes or that most participants in the movement are christians?
- FunnyUsername 10mo agoIt's like defining Germany as "a state that genocided various groups", or defining Irish nationalism as "a movement characterized by terrorist attacks against British civilians". Whether or not those claims are accurate, they're not defining features of the things we're trying to define. And sure, most Zionists are not Jews because the Jewish population is too tiny to be a majority in almost any political category. Similarly most people who support Somaliland independence are not Somalilanders, but probably Indians or Chinese or something.
- cess11 10mo agoThe zionist movement has never been peaceful, it has always aimed for violent expulsion of native populations from Palestine. One might argue that socialist or liberal zionism is not overtly jewish supremacist, but in practice they always were so I'd contest that. Unlike the irish they also did not have a reason to exterminate the palestinians specifically, whereas the irish have good reason to resist british influence. So you agree that zionism is a movement mainly consisting of christians, you're just not aware that both christian and jewish zionists prefer to paint the movement as a jewish underdog and distract from things like the nukes and nuke carrying backers and the genocide and so on.
- UltraSane 10mo agoPalestinians rejected the UN offer of their own country and tried and failed to destroy Israel. That is pretty violent.
- UltraSane 10mo agoWell put. It really does seem to be a k-word substitute in a lot of cases. I like the third definition.
- cess11 10mo agoZionism is older than the state of Israel. It is a political movement consisting mainly of christians. If you want to learn more you could do worse than follow Zachary Foster's lectures for the Rutgers Center: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zachary+foster+rutgers https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zachary+foster+... The podcast The Empire Never Ended has recently finished a rather good series on Meir Kahane, one of the most important influences on contemporary zionism: https://www.patreon.com/tenepod https://www.patreon.com/tenepod
- femiagbabiaka 10mo agoKahane, notably a terrorist and racial supremacist.
- nephihaha 10mo agoAlthough Palestinian nationalism does predate modern Zionism as it was originally directed at the Ottoman Rulers.