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We're hearing two extreme interpretations of what happened from at least two political sides. Only one video was initially shown. But there were multiple perso

by giardini 10mo ago

We're hearing two extreme interpretations of what happened from at least two political sides. Only one video was initially shown. But there were multiple persons filming the incident, the police vehicles nearby likely had cameras and likely some officers had body cameras as well. And there may be surveillance video cameras on buildings too. In the end, the investigation will likely show that neither of the two extreme interpretations currently polarizing public opinion is correct.

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twixfel 10mo ago
Sometimes extreme things happen. I mean this: >In the end, the investigation will likely show that neither of the two extreme interpretations currently polarizing public opinion is correct. is just a mad, mad take. It is literal prejudice, either way. Just an opinion based on basically nothing.
- giardini 10mo ago
  twixfel says >"Sometimes extreme things happen."< I agree with that. Perhaps this is one of those "extreme things". But current interpretations of this event are politically extreme and harmfully polarizing to us as a people. So all the more reason to be cautious and circumspect. twixfel says >" [giardini]>In the end, the investigation will likely show that neither of the two extreme interpretations currently polarizing public opinion is correct. [twixfel>"is just a mad, mad take. It is literal prejudice, either way. Just an opinion based on basically nothing." Please remain calm. My viewpoint is neither "a mad, mad take" nor "literal prejudice". nor "an opinion based on basically nothing". My viewpoint is a statement of our individual ignorance, of our lack of complete information, and a claim that none of us are omniscient. And it is a request that we be patient and trust our juridical system to proceed the way it was intended. Although difficult, We must withhold judgement until all [evidence has been presented.**
  - foldr 10mo ago
    It's wild that America is having a political 'debate' about this. We've all seen the videos. The woman was murdered in cold blood. In any sane society everyone would be united in condemning this officer's actions.
    - giardini 9mo ago
      https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis... This is (finally) a decisive video. Yet the NY times analyzes the video and gets it wrong. Here's why: An important point: the vehicle the deceased was driving is either a front-wheel drive vehicle or a 4-wheel-drive vehicle. We know this b/c we see the front wheels spin, slipping on the icy road before gaining traction. The video is taken from behind and to the left of the deceased's car. At first the front wheels of the car are pointed to the left and a moment later directly at the ICE agent in question. Furthermore the front wheels are spinning (because the throttle is pressed). Still another moment later the front wheels are pointed to the right and she drives down the street. IOW *the throttle was down while the car was pointed first toward the left, then toward the ICE agent and finally toward the right. In fact the throttle was down so far the wheels slipped on the ice (you can see the left wheel spinning). The icy road spared the ICE agent being run over. Had the road been dry he could have been struck and possibly killed. Conclusion: The spinning wheels point an incriminating finger at the driver: she was pressing the throttle while the car was pointed to the left, then directly ahead (at the ICE agent), and then to the right. No doubt whatsoever. We make no claim about intent by the driver but there is little doubt that the ICE agent would have been struck had the road and tires been dry.
      - foldr 9mo ago
        The video shows someone who could just have taken a step back (or better still, not stepped in front of the goddamn car in the first place) deciding instead to shoot someone in the face. Even if everything you’re saying were true – which anyone can verify is not the case by watching the video you've linked – it would be completely insane to try to stop a moving car by shooting the driver. On top of all this, the ICE agents clearly had no legitimate reason to be interfering with this woman’s car anyway, as she was driving away from the scene and was not suspected of any immigration offense.
UncleMeat 10mo ago
We now have the footage from the killer's camera. In my the interpretation that this was a murder was not extreme enough.

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twixfel 10mo ago

Sometimes extreme things happen. I mean this: >In the end, the investigation will likely show that neither of the two extreme interpretations currently polarizing public opinion is correct. is just a mad, mad take. It is literal prejudice, either way. Just an opinion based on basically nothing.

giardini 10mo ago
twixfel says >"Sometimes extreme things happen."< I agree with that. Perhaps this is one of those "extreme things". But current interpretations of this event are politically extreme and harmfully polarizing to us as a people. So all the more reason to be cautious and circumspect. twixfel says >" [giardini]>In the end, the investigation will likely show that neither of the two extreme interpretations currently polarizing public opinion is correct. [twixfel>"is just a mad, mad take. It is literal prejudice, either way. Just an opinion based on basically nothing." Please remain calm. My viewpoint is neither "a mad, mad take" nor "literal prejudice". nor "an opinion based on basically nothing". My viewpoint is a statement of our individual ignorance, of our lack of complete information, and a claim that none of us are omniscient. And it is a request that we be patient and trust our juridical system to proceed the way it was intended. Although difficult, We must withhold judgement until all [evidence has been presented.**
- foldr 10mo ago
  It's wild that America is having a political 'debate' about this. We've all seen the videos. The woman was murdered in cold blood. In any sane society everyone would be united in condemning this officer's actions.
  - giardini 9mo ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis... This is (finally) a decisive video. Yet the NY times analyzes the video and gets it wrong. Here's why: An important point: the vehicle the deceased was driving is either a front-wheel drive vehicle or a 4-wheel-drive vehicle. We know this b/c we see the front wheels spin, slipping on the icy road before gaining traction. The video is taken from behind and to the left of the deceased's car. At first the front wheels of the car are pointed to the left and a moment later directly at the ICE agent in question. Furthermore the front wheels are spinning (because the throttle is pressed). Still another moment later the front wheels are pointed to the right and she drives down the street. IOW *the throttle was down while the car was pointed first toward the left, then toward the ICE agent and finally toward the right. In fact the throttle was down so far the wheels slipped on the ice (you can see the left wheel spinning). The icy road spared the ICE agent being run over. Had the road been dry he could have been struck and possibly killed. Conclusion: The spinning wheels point an incriminating finger at the driver: she was pressing the throttle while the car was pointed to the left, then directly ahead (at the ICE agent), and then to the right. No doubt whatsoever. We make no claim about intent by the driver but there is little doubt that the ICE agent would have been struck had the road and tires been dry.
    - foldr 9mo ago
      The video shows someone who could just have taken a step back (or better still, not stepped in front of the goddamn car in the first place) deciding instead to shoot someone in the face. Even if everything you’re saying were true – which anyone can verify is not the case by watching the video you've linked – it would be completely insane to try to stop a moving car by shooting the driver. On top of all this, the ICE agents clearly had no legitimate reason to be interfering with this woman’s car anyway, as she was driving away from the scene and was not suspected of any immigration offense.

UncleMeat 10mo ago

We now have the footage from the killer's camera. In my the interpretation that this was a murder was not extreme enough.