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That's not up to you or me. I think it's pretty clear by the phrase "Claude Code subscription" that it's meant for only "Claude Code". Why are you confused? Th

That's not up to you or me. I think it's pretty clear by the phrase "Claude Code subscription" that it's meant for only "Claude Code". Why are you confused? This could be so easily abused by companies who spend thousands of dollars per month for API costs you could just reverse engineer it and use the subscription tokens to get that down to a few hundred

gpm 10mo ago
That phrase isn't the official one. It's "The Max Plan" which "combines Claude Desktop and mobile apps and Claude Code in one subscription".
- fastball 10mo ago
  Yes, so... pretty clearly not OpenCode.
- weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
  Yeah, exactly.
casparvitch 10mo ago
IDK if Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, I don't think they should gate keep which client you access that service over. Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like.
- BoiledCabbage 10mo ago
  > IDK if Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, I don't think they should gate keep which client you access that service over. Are you going to say why you think they shouldn't? You didn't give a reason.
- firloop 10mo ago
  How do you draw that conclusion? If Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, they seem a lot more justified in restricting how and where they subsidize usage.
  - casparvitch 10mo ago
    Yeah fair, I could've chosen better words. My conclusion is: "I don't want to pay for that", not "they shouldn't be able to do that".
- renewiltord 10mo ago
  That seems mutual. They don’t want you to use this service with an arbitrary client and you don’t want to use this service that won’t allow an arbitrary client. So both of you don’t want the relationship. Seems fine. For my part, I’m fine understanding that bundling allows for discounting and I would prefer to enable that.
- weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
  > Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like. Then don't! Or just use the API which doesn't lock you into any client.
potamic 10mo ago
I don't think they are confused. They are simply challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software. Which is fair because there is a lot of precedent around whether a service can dictate how it must be consumed. It's not a simple answer and there are good reasons for both sides. Whichever path we take will have wide consequences and shape our future in a very distinct way. So it is an important decision, and ultimately up to us, as a society to influence and guide.
- weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
  "challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software" This has nothing to do with "the model". You can use "the models" through the API for anything. This has to do with access to a specific product being abused to then get low-cost API access for other use cases
bandrami 10mo ago
Can I script and scrape Claude Code to provide the exact same data for consumption by the banned client? (This sounds like an interesting challenge for Claude Code to try...)
- weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
  Yes they even offer an SDK for it now so "scraping" is not required
- davely 10mo ago
  Claude Code provides a headless mode that you can do this exact same thing with: $ claude -p “fix the eslint in file XYZ”
iwontberude 10mo ago
It’s like saying Netflix is wrong to require an official Netflix client to access their service. Total dud of an argument if you ask me.
- tadfisher 10mo ago
  Well, they are wrong, and the argument is still a dud.
  - weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
    Netflix would not even exist if you could just freely download all of the media to your computer and play it anytime because of licensing agreements and other factors. So you can think that they are wrong but that's not really rooted in reality or practicality.
    - tadfisher 10mo ago
      That is possible, was always possible, and will continue to be possible, judging by the availability of 4K rips available via piracy.

gpm 10mo ago

That phrase isn't the official one. It's "The Max Plan" which "combines Claude Desktop and mobile apps and Claude Code in one subscription".

fastball 10mo ago
Yes, so... pretty clearly not OpenCode.
weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
Yeah, exactly.

casparvitch 10mo ago

IDK if Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, I don't think they should gate keep which client you access that service over. Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like.

BoiledCabbage 10mo ago
> IDK if Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, I don't think they should gate keep which client you access that service over. Are you going to say why you think they shouldn't? You didn't give a reason.
firloop 10mo ago
How do you draw that conclusion? If Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, they seem a lot more justified in restricting how and where they subsidize usage.
- casparvitch 10mo ago
  Yeah fair, I could've chosen better words. My conclusion is: "I don't want to pay for that", not "they shouldn't be able to do that".
renewiltord 10mo ago
That seems mutual. They don’t want you to use this service with an arbitrary client and you don’t want to use this service that won’t allow an arbitrary client. So both of you don’t want the relationship. Seems fine. For my part, I’m fine understanding that bundling allows for discounting and I would prefer to enable that.
weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
> Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like. Then don't! Or just use the API which doesn't lock you into any client.

potamic 10mo ago

I don't think they are confused. They are simply challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software. Which is fair because there is a lot of precedent around whether a service can dictate how it must be consumed. It's not a simple answer and there are good reasons for both sides. Whichever path we take will have wide consequences and shape our future in a very distinct way. So it is an important decision, and ultimately up to us, as a society to influence and guide.

weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
"challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software" This has nothing to do with "the model". You can use "the models" through the API for anything. This has to do with access to a specific product being abused to then get low-cost API access for other use cases

bandrami 10mo ago

Can I script and scrape Claude Code to provide the exact same data for consumption by the banned client? (This sounds like an interesting challenge for Claude Code to try...)

weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
Yes they even offer an SDK for it now so "scraping" is not required
davely 10mo ago
Claude Code provides a headless mode that you can do this exact same thing with: $ claude -p “fix the eslint in file XYZ”

iwontberude 10mo ago

It’s like saying Netflix is wrong to require an official Netflix client to access their service. Total dud of an argument if you ask me.

tadfisher 10mo ago
Well, they are wrong, and the argument is still a dud.
- weird-eye-issue 10mo ago
  Netflix would not even exist if you could just freely download all of the media to your computer and play it anytime because of licensing agreements and other factors. So you can think that they are wrong but that's not really rooted in reality or practicality.
  - tadfisher 10mo ago
    That is possible, was always possible, and will continue to be possible, judging by the availability of 4K rips available via piracy.