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If you've been banned your console is useless -- you can't make a new gold account anymore.

by envex 14y ago

AUmrysh 14y ago
Your console is not useless. When you are permabanned they will mess up your NAND and make your saves invalid, and you won't be able to connect to live again without modifying the keyvault on your console (on ones where this is possible). They used to just ban your console and not your account, so you could keep your account and just go buy a new console, mod it, and be playing again within a week (after the ban wave was over). A friend of mine actually figured out how much he was paying for the console every year, about $200-$300, and then figured out how many games he had pirated (at what would be $60, roughly, a piece) and came to the conclusion that it was worth pirating all of his Xbox 360 games and face being banned every November. If you own 5 games that were purchased new, that's a console's worth of money right there. We did that for a couple of years until they started banning our accounts for the JTAG exploit. Microsoft is unethical in what they do when they ban people on Live and corrupt their NAND, but they've probably got legal powers to do that based on the Live EULA.
- justinhj 14y ago
  Funny that you switch gears and talk about ethics after basically saying it's much cheaper to steal than to buy products and actually support the people making your entertainment.
- DanBC 14y ago
  I'm very surprised that they are "corrupting" files. I don't disbelieve you, but I'd be very interested to read some more about that. I thought they'd learnt their lessons from the "Tree of Evil bares bitter fruit" thing. This 1985 article mentions the tree of evil string. It also mentions MS thinking about dropping copy protection on some software to help get more market share. Kind of scummy behaviour, in my opinion. (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OC8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=microsoft+word+tree+of+evil+bears++bitter+fruit&source=bl&ots=_FFj7iT5Oh&sig=nMTbFLxmhfmsia-RDD6bYWNOtY0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kC58ULaEAbO20QW1xoDgDw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=microsoft%20word%20tree%20of%20evil%20bears%20%20bitter%20fruit&f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OC8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA8&#...) (Oh Google, your funny URLs.) This PDF also talks about the psychological tactic: (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-20.pdf http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-20.pdf) (on page 417). I seem to remember people actually losing data to this, but perhaps my memory is faulty.
- envex 14y ago
  I meant useless in terms of online play. Also, I don't think it's fair to take into account how many games he pirated. He should only count games that he would've paid for in the first place. Before my xbox was banned 2 years ago, I would pirate almost every game that came out for xbox -- even if I only played it once. Now that I pay for games, I'm pretty particular about what I buy.
anonaccount27 14y ago
Microsoft has Account and Console bans, and it has variations therein; there can be a total console ban that extends to all of the accounts on it as well, there can be temporary console bans, full eeprom ban, etc. as well as simple account bans. It's also unfortunately not a perfect system. On the original Xbox, there was an autoban trigger for an inordinate amount of negative feedback on an account. It made for some interesting retaliations when you utterly destroyed someone and their friends in a game.

If you've been banned your console is useless -- you can't make a new gold account anymore.

by envex 14y ago

If you've been banned your console is useless -- you can't make a new gold account anymore.

Your console is not useless. When you are permabanned they will mess up your NAND and make your saves invalid, and you won't be able to connect to live again without modifying the keyvault on your console (on ones where this is possible). They used to just ban your console and not your account, so you could keep your account and just go buy a new console, mod it, and be playing again within a week (after the ban wave was over). A friend of mine actually figured out how much he was paying for the console every year, about $200-$300, and then figured out how many games he had pirated (at what would be $60, roughly, a piece) and came to the conclusion that it was worth pirating all of his Xbox 360 games and face being banned every November. If you own 5 games that were purchased new, that's a console's worth of money right there. We did that for a couple of years until they started banning our accounts for the JTAG exploit. Microsoft is unethical in what they do when they ban people on Live and corrupt their NAND, but they've probably got legal powers to do that based on the Live EULA.

justinhj 14y ago
Funny that you switch gears and talk about ethics after basically saying it's much cheaper to steal than to buy products and actually support the people making your entertainment.
DanBC 14y ago
I'm very surprised that they are "corrupting" files. I don't disbelieve you, but I'd be very interested to read some more about that. I thought they'd learnt their lessons from the "Tree of Evil bares bitter fruit" thing. This 1985 article mentions the tree of evil string. It also mentions MS thinking about dropping copy protection on some software to help get more market share. Kind of scummy behaviour, in my opinion. (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OC8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=microsoft+word+tree+of+evil+bears++bitter+fruit&source=bl&ots=_FFj7iT5Oh&sig=nMTbFLxmhfmsia-RDD6bYWNOtY0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kC58ULaEAbO20QW1xoDgDw&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=microsoft%20word%20tree%20of%20evil%20bears%20%20bitter%20fruit&f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OC8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA8&#...) (Oh Google, your funny URLs.) This PDF also talks about the psychological tactic: (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-20.pdf http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-20.pdf) (on page 417). I seem to remember people actually losing data to this, but perhaps my memory is faulty.
envex 14y ago
I meant useless in terms of online play. Also, I don't think it's fair to take into account how many games he pirated. He should only count games that he would've paid for in the first place. Before my xbox was banned 2 years ago, I would pirate almost every game that came out for xbox -- even if I only played it once. Now that I pay for games, I'm pretty particular about what I buy.

anonaccount27 14y ago

Microsoft has Account and Console bans, and it has variations therein; there can be a total console ban that extends to all of the accounts on it as well, there can be temporary console bans, full eeprom ban, etc. as well as simple account bans. It's also unfortunately not a perfect system. On the original Xbox, there was an autoban trigger for an inordinate amount of negative feedback on an account. It made for some interesting retaliations when you utterly destroyed someone and their friends in a game.