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>Are you joking? No. The human body actually isn't a 737. >This statement you made here is manipulative. You know what I mean by that comparison. Don’t try to
by rl3 9mo ago
>Are you joking?
No. The human body actually isn't a 737.
>This statement you made here is manipulative. You know what I mean by that comparison. Don’t try to spin it like I'm not talking about human lives.
Let me spell it out then: The mechanisms by which a human body and a 737 work are so vastly different that one may as well be alien to the other. It's quite an apples and oranges comparison.
Yeah, you can draw parallels in some areas but I'd say on the whole the analogy isn't exactly apt. That said, I'll indulge:
Imagine if every 737 was a few orders of magnitude more complex, and also so different to the point that no plane even looked or functioned the same. Then, imagine we didn't fully understand how they worked.
Point being: Medicine is fuzzy because the human body is fuzzy and imprecise. Everybody's a little different. Contrast to aviation, which is very much an exact science and engineering discipline at this point.
Medicine isn't engineering. Treating patients isn't the same as the design and manufacture of aircraft.
That of course doesn't excuse shitty healthcare systems that can clearly do better when stats indicate there's preventable adverse outcomes happening. I just don't think laying the blame at the feet of doctors somehow being too stupid to problem solve is helpful when there's a larger system that's preventing them from doing their best work for their patients. If anything that narrative is counterproductive.
>Are you yourself a doctor?
Nope, just a layperson who knows they're a layperson.
- threethirtytwo 9mo ago>No. The human body actually isn't a 737. No shit sherlock. >Let me spell it out then: The mechanisms by which a human body and a 737 work are so vastly different that one may as well be alien to the other. It's quite an apples and oranges comparison. Should've done this in the first place because no one understands what you're saying otherwise. The problem internals are different but we are comparing the outcome and that is: human lives. You seem to think this is an invalid comparison. It's not. >Medicine isn't engineering. Treating patients isn't the same as the design and manufacture of aircraft. I never said that. The whole point was you made the claim doctors are good problem solvers because they went to medical school. I said that claim is utter bullshit. They aren't that good and they misdiagnose shit all the time. The point still stands and you delivered evidence to validate that. You said Medicine is fuzzy and engineering exact. You said the problem was vastly more complex as well. All of this proves the point. The problem is harder, the science is fuzzy. Doctors armed with medical science, which is definitively worse, operating on a problem that is definitively harder will be generally WORSE problem solvers then people in other occupations IF we hold everything else the same. So doctors as a group ARE not good problem solvers. That WAS the point. We are referring to doctors as a group and thus the ONLY point of comparison for problem solvers ARE other occupations. That's just a given and it follows from your OWN logic. >That of course doesn't excuse shitty healthcare systems that can clearly do better when stats indicate there's preventable adverse outcomes happening. I just don't think laying the blame at the feet of doctors somehow being too stupid to problem solve is helpful when there's a larger system that's preventing them from doing their best work for their patients. If anything that narrative is counterproductive. Did I lay the blame on doctors? No. I just said they aren't good problem solvers. That's a fact. That's not blame. But let's be clear, I agree it's counter productive to lay blame OR call doctors stupid and such a thing WAS not done by me. I was simply making the claim that THEY are NOT good problem solvers. You inserted extra negative sentiment into the "narrative" as an hallucination by your own imagination. Look, point is you're wrong on every count. Doctors are not good at problem solving period. They're pretty bad at it. The comparison with aviation engineers is apt because those guys are GOOD problem solvers. And again, it's not the doctors fault that they are incompetent. It's the hardness of the problem and the limitations of the science that make them like this.
- rl3 9mo ago>And again, it's not the doctors fault that they are incompetent. I don't know how you expect people to take you seriously, but good luck.