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That article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.

nemo 9mo ago
While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.
- utternerd 9mo ago
  Then it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.
  - nemo 9mo ago
    True, feel free to Google "deaths attributed to end of usaid", lots to read and learn about there. Have at it.
    - lurk2 9mo ago
      You’re implying that you have evidence to support your argument without actually providing any of it.
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      - IAmBroom 9mo ago
        nemo literally just supplied it. But since you insist: https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid
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  - wright08 9mo ago
    It is easy to prove, it is shown in the linked model. The model is simple. If I spend X amount of dollars feeding people, I can save Y lives. Since this model is obviously bunk, I'm sure you can easily articulate why this model is inaccurate, untrustworthy, or otherwise unhelpful.
- trimethylpurine 9mo ago
  Technically his department produced and advised on the data. It's just a government BI team. This is like blaming the BI team for the CEO's decision to fire people. Part of the process, sure. But this a decision made by the majority of Congress. Let's not forget who the bad guy is.
  - IAmBroom 9mo ago
    We're not. Blame and guilt are not limited resources; more than one bad guy exists.
    - trimethylpurine 9mo ago
      Absolutely true. But it's certainly not the bad guy with no power to do what parent accused him of that deserves blame. It's a logical impossibility. We still follow logic, I hope.
- suburban_strike 9mo ago
  > a simple fact that's not up for dispute We used to say the same about the male/female binary. > He cut off life saving meds Sophistry. Forcing charity is literal enslavement. Withholding charity is not homicide.
  - wilg 9mo ago
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  - nemo 9mo ago
    So the kids died as a result of the action taken (withdrawing meds from impoverished children), but the person who took the meds away from the sick kids who then died as a result is innocent? I feel like you might want to look at that word "sophistry" long and hard, and do a bit of soul searching.
ikrenji 9mo ago
Someone's model says that if you detonate a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, millions will die. There is no hard evidence tho.
wilg 9mo ago
You can read more here: https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/human-impact-of-usaid-cuts/ https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-a...

nemo 9mo ago

While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.

utternerd 9mo ago
Then it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.
- nemo 9mo ago
  True, feel free to Google "deaths attributed to end of usaid", lots to read and learn about there. Have at it.
  - lurk2 9mo ago
    You’re implying that you have evidence to support your argument without actually providing any of it.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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    - IAmBroom 9mo ago
      nemo literally just supplied it. But since you insist: https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid
      - deleted 9mo ago
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- wright08 9mo ago
  It is easy to prove, it is shown in the linked model. The model is simple. If I spend X amount of dollars feeding people, I can save Y lives. Since this model is obviously bunk, I'm sure you can easily articulate why this model is inaccurate, untrustworthy, or otherwise unhelpful.
trimethylpurine 9mo ago
Technically his department produced and advised on the data. It's just a government BI team. This is like blaming the BI team for the CEO's decision to fire people. Part of the process, sure. But this a decision made by the majority of Congress. Let's not forget who the bad guy is.
- IAmBroom 9mo ago
  We're not. Blame and guilt are not limited resources; more than one bad guy exists.
  - trimethylpurine 9mo ago
    Absolutely true. But it's certainly not the bad guy with no power to do what parent accused him of that deserves blame. It's a logical impossibility. We still follow logic, I hope.
suburban_strike 9mo ago
> a simple fact that's not up for dispute We used to say the same about the male/female binary. > He cut off life saving meds Sophistry. Forcing charity is literal enslavement. Withholding charity is not homicide.
- wilg 9mo ago
  [flagged]
- nemo 9mo ago
  So the kids died as a result of the action taken (withdrawing meds from impoverished children), but the person who took the meds away from the sick kids who then died as a result is innocent? I feel like you might want to look at that word "sophistry" long and hard, and do a bit of soul searching.

ikrenji 9mo ago

Someone's model says that if you detonate a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, millions will die. There is no hard evidence tho.

wilg 9mo ago

You can read more here: https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/human-impact-of-usaid-cuts/ https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-a...