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Do we have mass murdering CEOs now? What did I miss?
by phaser 9mo ago
Do we have mass murdering CEOs now? What did I miss?
- wilg 9mo ago[flagged]
- utternerd 9mo agoThat article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.
- nemo 9mo agoWhile the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.
- utternerd 9mo agoThen it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.
- nemo 9mo agoTrue, feel free to Google "deaths attributed to end of usaid", lots to read and learn about there. Have at it.
- lurk2 9mo agoYou’re implying that you have evidence to support your argument without actually providing any of it.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- IAmBroom 9mo agonemo literally just supplied it. But since you insist: https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid https://www.google.com/search?q=deaths+due+to+end+of+usaid
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- wright08 9mo agoIt is easy to prove, it is shown in the linked model. The model is simple. If I spend X amount of dollars feeding people, I can save Y lives. Since this model is obviously bunk, I'm sure you can easily articulate why this model is inaccurate, untrustworthy, or otherwise unhelpful.
- trimethylpurine 9mo agoTechnically his department produced and advised on the data. It's just a government BI team. This is like blaming the BI team for the CEO's decision to fire people. Part of the process, sure. But this a decision made by the majority of Congress. Let's not forget who the bad guy is.
- IAmBroom 9mo agoWe're not. Blame and guilt are not limited resources; more than one bad guy exists.
- trimethylpurine 9mo agoAbsolutely true. But it's certainly not the bad guy with no power to do what parent accused him of that deserves blame. It's a logical impossibility. We still follow logic, I hope.
- suburban_strike 9mo ago> a simple fact that's not up for dispute We used to say the same about the male/female binary. > He cut off life saving meds Sophistry. Forcing charity is literal enslavement. Withholding charity is not homicide.
- wilg 9mo ago[flagged]
- nemo 9mo agoSo the kids died as a result of the action taken (withdrawing meds from impoverished children), but the person who took the meds away from the sick kids who then died as a result is innocent? I feel like you might want to look at that word "sophistry" long and hard, and do a bit of soul searching.
- ikrenji 9mo agoSomeone's model says that if you detonate a nuclear bomb in Manhattan, millions will die. There is no hard evidence tho.
- wilg 9mo agoYou can read more here: https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-aid-work/human-impact-of-usaid-cuts/ https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/issues/making-foreign-a...
- suburban_strike 9mo ago[flagged]
- wilg 9mo ago1 - obviously you're a terrible racist, 2 - subrogation is not relevant, 3 - deaths can have multiple causes
- suburban_strike 9mo agoAfrican women dying of HIV did not contract it from Elon Musk. They got it from somewhere. I'm open to theories that do not involve blaming a pretentious billionaire who will inseminate anything except black women. Subrogation could not be more central to the discussion if you're using blame to justify disbursement of money from parties with no obligation or responsibility to provide free healthcare to another continent. USAID should never have been created; it serves no strategic purpose unless the purpose is exfiltration of wealth to NGO networks. Auditing government programs for efficacy is not a scam, it's accountability. Eliminating a program that benefits others at our expense is not homicide. All of your arguments are made in bad faith. You don't really have one beyond emotional blackmail and ad hominems. Sophistry.
- wilg 9mo agoThe argument is very simple, Elon Musk's decision led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, and will result in millions more. Auditing government programs for efficacy is not a scam, but Elon Musk did not do that. He said he would do that but did not. The USG spend is higher than it ever has been, most of the savings cited were fake, and thus he killed a lot of people for no reason. Eliminating USAID led to deaths. Just because you don't like that it existed did not mean it was preventing deaths. Pulling the plug on someone is killing them, even if you didn't give them the disease and paying for their healthcare was expensive for you.
- _menelaus 9mo agoEvery day you decide not to donate a fraction of your income to medicine in Africa. How many deaths are you responsible for?
- rendx 9mo agoYou are. We are. With our powers, and money is one of them, comes responsibility. We can decide how and if you respond, but it's still ours.
- ikrenji 9mo agohaving the power to destroy a government agency that provides aid and actually going through with it is not morally equal to not donating a few dollars of your income
- wilg 9mo ago1 - the moral calculus is different if you were already doing so and then suddenly shut it off 2 - i was happy with the arrangement of the government doing it on my behalf, and in doing so making the united states stronger and have allies around the world 3 - elon musk did this illegally 4 - elon musk also caused additional deaths by virtue of supporting trump, rfk, and these other lunatics which he was definitely affirmatively a part of doing