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I think what Martin and Kent are really objecting to is this (from the same podcast): "They've just gone off the deep end, and I don't think these people write

I think what Martin and Kent are really objecting to is this (from the same podcast): "They've just gone off the deep end, and I don't think these people write very much code if they're coming up with these principles, to be honest, it doesn't even make sense." It probably wasn't meant that way, but it was taken as an unnecessary personal attack (despite Joel's frequent 'don't listen to me' implorations)

plinkplonk 18y ago
".. and I don't think these people write very much code" and why is this objectionable? Joel Spolsky thinks some agile "gurus" don't write much code. Fwiw, I know at least a couple of these "guru" (note the quotes) folks who don't write production code and haven't done so in years and make their living telling other people how to write their code ! The correct way to counter this is to point at (open source) code they wrote (Bob Martin does this by pointing at the Fitnesse code base, so he got this part right imo), or if it is not possible, just calmly assert that Spolsky's thinking is wrong and leave it at that.