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Ridiculous. Most of the world has a negative view of Zionism, as they should, and ethnosupremacy in general.
by _menelaus 9mo ago
Ridiculous. Most of the world has a negative view of Zionism, as they should, and ethnosupremacy in general.
- FunnyUsername 9mo agoThere's nothing supremacist about Zionism, it's just the support of Jewish self-determination. Efforts to twist it into something nefarious are just propaganda with no etymological basis.
- _menelaus 9mo agoThink about what you're saying. Zionism the idea that a particular ethnic group (the Jews) will have the authority to determine what happens in their country (Israel). That is a textbook case of ethnic supremacism. And that's not even mentioning the violent expulsion of the Arabs that this de facto entailed.
- FunnyUsername 9mo agoMost Zionists have a goal of preserving a Jewish majority for pragmatic reasons - history has shown that it's the only way to ensure the safety of Jews. That's not a supremacist ideology at all. Moreover, no country is perfect, and we shouldn't have double standards just for Israel. Can you identify any other Middle Eastern country that compares favorably, in terms of diversity and tolerance of all religions and ethnicities?
- siltcakes 9mo agoZionists aren't indigenous to Palestine and have no right to that land.
- FunnyUsername 9mo agoZionism is a political view; a Zionist can be from anywhere just as a socialist can. Jews are indigenous to Judea though. Others have a right to live in the region too, hence proposals to share the land, such as the partition plan or the 2000 Camp David offer.
- siltcakes 9mo agoJudaism is a religion. Jews are from all over the place. Almost none from Palestine.
- FunnyUsername 9mo ago"Judaism" sometimes refers to the religion, but many Jews are not religious. Jews are a group of people from Judea, hence its historical name. Some dispersion to other regions doesn't change where a group of people is from.
- siltcakes 9mo agoJudea does not exist. If you’re talking about Palestine, very few Jews are from there pre-dating Zionist invasion.
- _menelaus 9mo agoIf I were to say: 'I believe whites need to hold all authority in the United States, and must have a permanent demographic majority (for practical reasons, of course)' then you might call me a white supremacist. I might reply: 'I'm not a supremacist, we must secure self-determination in order to secure the future of our people.' You would gently remind me that this is exactly what a supremacist is. So yes, please, no double standards. Also, the rest of the Middle East is just as bad, no arguments there, but it's beside the point.
- soldthat 9mo agoMost of the world has a positive view of self-determination for every other group; Ukrainians, Palestinians, the Irish, etc.
- siltcakes 9mo ago[flagged]
- soldthat 9mo agoThere are 2 million Arabs in Israel. There are 0 Jews in areas under full Palestinian control.
- siltcakes 9mo agoYes, they have successfully resisted Zionist invasion.
- scns 9mo ago> Those groups are indigenous to the land they live on Homo Sapiens is only indigenous to South Africa, pedantically speaking.
- siltcakes 9mo agoAnd think about how absurd it would be for anyone on the planet to go murder Africans and steal their land under the guise of it being our “homeland”. Sadly that has happened, but they didn’t bother to use that excuse.