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Nothing in that video, even if taken at face value, disagrees with a single point I made. The ICE agent is maybe pushed by a car moving at low speed. Maybe. He

Nothing in that video, even if taken at face value, disagrees with a single point I made. The ICE agent is maybe pushed by a car moving at low speed. Maybe. He is still never in danger of losing his life or being seriously harmed. The car still accelerates more after he has shot the woman than it did before he shot her. Meanwhile taking that all at face value relies entirely on low res and heavily compressed video taken at a distance, vs. what we appear to see in the much closer, much higher res, much less compressed footage. We even see the officer after the shooting holster his weapon, calmly move around without any sign of injury, no limp, etc.

iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
<< The ICE agent is maybe pushed by a car moving at low speed. Maybe. He is still never in danger of losing his life or being seriously harmed. The standard is whether the agent reasonably believes he is in danger. It is not based on whether the car is going too slow to cause damage based on an arm chair's expert claim online. Now, if you are saying there is nothing in that video that makes you question some of your assumptions, we can stop this conversation now. You are too motivated to make 'your side' win.
- cthalupa 9mo ago
  He continues shooting after he is to the side of the car to the point he is shooting through the open driver window. He is to the side of the car. He is not in it's path even remotely while still shooting. Even if we assume the first shot was justified (which I disagree with but whatever, we're not going to change each other's minds) the remainder are not. Lethal force is not on the table for punitive actions. It is meant to be used as a preventative measure.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
    It is a more reasoned argument, which I can't automatically reject. I suspect I know what the defense here would be, but I guess we will learn that later on. It is still a little crazy to expect perfection with a moving target, but I am willing to accept it as a premise.

iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago

<< The ICE agent is maybe pushed by a car moving at low speed. Maybe. He is still never in danger of losing his life or being seriously harmed. The standard is whether the agent reasonably believes he is in danger. It is not based on whether the car is going too slow to cause damage based on an arm chair's expert claim online. Now, if you are saying there is nothing in that video that makes you question some of your assumptions, we can stop this conversation now. You are too motivated to make 'your side' win.

cthalupa 9mo ago
He continues shooting after he is to the side of the car to the point he is shooting through the open driver window. He is to the side of the car. He is not in it's path even remotely while still shooting. Even if we assume the first shot was justified (which I disagree with but whatever, we're not going to change each other's minds) the remainder are not. Lethal force is not on the table for punitive actions. It is meant to be used as a preventative measure.
- iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
  It is a more reasoned argument, which I can't automatically reject. I suspect I know what the defense here would be, but I guess we will learn that later on. It is still a little crazy to expect perfection with a moving target, but I am willing to accept it as a premise.