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Enjoy the outrage while it lasts. Soon Americans being shot in the face by ICE and framed as terrorists will be as common and accepted as the President talking

Enjoy the outrage while it lasts. Soon Americans being shot in the face by ICE and framed as terrorists will be as common and accepted as the President talking about invading Canada and Greenland, or launching billion dollar shitcoins, talking about his love letters to dictators, insulting soldiers who died in combat, violent riots overturning elections or openly mocking disabled people etc. etc. etc. You'll see people in these comments who worked to normalise all those doing the same again.

oceansky 10mo ago
I wanted you to be wrong so much, but that's likely the most probable scenario. Maybe 50 years from now "everyone will always have been against this", but even that's a stretch.
- croon 10mo ago
  I've already lived through this with Bush, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, and various at the time justifications and later revisions. Most vocal Trump supporters hate Bush and the Iraq war now, but it would interesting to see how consistent their story is on Santa's list/their cosmic audit records.
tim333 10mo ago
The things you talk of are either legal such as insulting people, or failed such as riots trying to overturn an election. This is different.
- mrtksn 10mo ago
  Lots of convicted criminals were pardoned already. People with connection to January 6 United States Capitol attack are all pardoned, some got promoted. There's something going on with Ghislaine Maxwell's situation too. US just abducted the president of a sovereign country and international law no longer means anything too. The president himself is also a convict. He is also implicated with many sexual assaults(allegations at this stage) What exactly makes you think that this time is different? I just saw a clip from Fox, justifying the killing of this woman because she had pronouns on her profile.
  - tim333 10mo ago
    I think it may be different because firstly it's clearly murder or an unlawful shooting if you watch the video, and secondly because being shot by a masked officer for trying to drive down the road could happen to pretty much any American so I imagine they'll complain. That doesn't apply to the Jan 6th people or Maxwell - it's not part of people's everyday life.
    - mrtksn 10mo ago
      If you pay attention to what they are saying, people with pronouns are destroying America, immigrants are destroying America, women without kids are Destroying America, divorced women with kids are destroying America, All kind of people are destroying America. At this very moment the MAGA types are explaining why it was the right move to execute this woman. Weren't they also relentlessly explaining why it was OK for a police to step on the neck of this black dude that end up dying some years ago? Weren't they relentlessly explaining why it was OK to shoot and kill looters? Maybe in a year or two shooting people who destroying America will be the norm. Maybe soon someone will ask why just shoot looters and women with pronouns who run away from the law enforcement? why not kill everyone who destroys America? Are fat kids destroying America less than women with pronouns? Then wouldn't be patriotic to exterminate people with bad genes and improve nations genes? BTW this is happening everywhere with persecuted people. Assailants feel trigger happy, they trust the system that will protect them from actual consequences. Most of the time there's some benefit of doubt that can be attached to the action and even when everything is clear and well documented they end up getting special treatment, they become heroes and they are looked after in prison or after the prison.
    - cogman10 10mo ago
      I really hope you are right, but I fear you aren't. The conservative media bubble has already congealed on "She was trying to run over everyone and deserved to be shot". If someone wants to believe that ICE is the good guys and people protesting ICE are bad, they'll be pretty quick to adopt any narrative that will justify the actions of ICE. You can see that in this very thread. This might sway a few people, but I really think the Trump "I could shoot someone on 5th avenue" is simply a truth.
RSHEPP 10mo ago
Feels like the most important thing we can do is document it all. Save multiple encrypted copies. There is so many things worth documenting, but don't let others tell 'you' what happened. Write it down.

oceansky 10mo ago

I wanted you to be wrong so much, but that's likely the most probable scenario. Maybe 50 years from now "everyone will always have been against this", but even that's a stretch.

croon 10mo ago
I've already lived through this with Bush, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, and various at the time justifications and later revisions. Most vocal Trump supporters hate Bush and the Iraq war now, but it would interesting to see how consistent their story is on Santa's list/their cosmic audit records.

tim333 10mo ago

The things you talk of are either legal such as insulting people, or failed such as riots trying to overturn an election. This is different.

mrtksn 10mo ago
Lots of convicted criminals were pardoned already. People with connection to January 6 United States Capitol attack are all pardoned, some got promoted. There's something going on with Ghislaine Maxwell's situation too. US just abducted the president of a sovereign country and international law no longer means anything too. The president himself is also a convict. He is also implicated with many sexual assaults(allegations at this stage) What exactly makes you think that this time is different? I just saw a clip from Fox, justifying the killing of this woman because she had pronouns on her profile.
- tim333 10mo ago
  I think it may be different because firstly it's clearly murder or an unlawful shooting if you watch the video, and secondly because being shot by a masked officer for trying to drive down the road could happen to pretty much any American so I imagine they'll complain. That doesn't apply to the Jan 6th people or Maxwell - it's not part of people's everyday life.
  - mrtksn 10mo ago
    If you pay attention to what they are saying, people with pronouns are destroying America, immigrants are destroying America, women without kids are Destroying America, divorced women with kids are destroying America, All kind of people are destroying America. At this very moment the MAGA types are explaining why it was the right move to execute this woman. Weren't they also relentlessly explaining why it was OK for a police to step on the neck of this black dude that end up dying some years ago? Weren't they relentlessly explaining why it was OK to shoot and kill looters? Maybe in a year or two shooting people who destroying America will be the norm. Maybe soon someone will ask why just shoot looters and women with pronouns who run away from the law enforcement? why not kill everyone who destroys America? Are fat kids destroying America less than women with pronouns? Then wouldn't be patriotic to exterminate people with bad genes and improve nations genes? BTW this is happening everywhere with persecuted people. Assailants feel trigger happy, they trust the system that will protect them from actual consequences. Most of the time there's some benefit of doubt that can be attached to the action and even when everything is clear and well documented they end up getting special treatment, they become heroes and they are looked after in prison or after the prison.
  - cogman10 10mo ago
    I really hope you are right, but I fear you aren't. The conservative media bubble has already congealed on "She was trying to run over everyone and deserved to be shot". If someone wants to believe that ICE is the good guys and people protesting ICE are bad, they'll be pretty quick to adopt any narrative that will justify the actions of ICE. You can see that in this very thread. This might sway a few people, but I really think the Trump "I could shoot someone on 5th avenue" is simply a truth.

RSHEPP 10mo ago

Feels like the most important thing we can do is document it all. Save multiple encrypted copies. There is so many things worth documenting, but don't let others tell 'you' what happened. Write it down.