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Flagging this for being blatant misinformation. Have a great day.

by venturecruelty 9mo ago

iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
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- defrost 9mo ago
  Obstructing LEOs, whether state or federal, isn't a death penalty offence (with or without a trial) here where I live. We even investigate and charge LEO's for rape, stalking, murder, etc. when they overstep boundaries.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
    If.. and I do mean if there is a concern for life of the officer in question, yes, that is actually the expected response. And also yes, the officers in question are investigated afterwards, because you do want to know if the gun discharge was warranted. I watched the videos from several angles ( what a time to be alive ) and I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road, but.. I can't automatically say yay or nay. What I do know is that she had a choice to get out of the car, but chose to press gas.
    - defrost 9mo ago
      It's pretty clear from the videos that there was no danger to the officer that fired. They approached from the front, and stepped into the path of a turning "fleeing" vehicleto get a better shot at the driver and then jumping to the side. > I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road I'm also curious about this, but in Australia this would have zero bearing on the "right" of a LEO to use lethal force. > What I do know is that she had a choice to get out of the car, but chose to press gas. She reversed, turned wheels to arc into the exiting lane and was shot by an officer who was already drawn prepared to fire. That officer had the option to step either way, that officer chose to step into the turning arc to get a better shot and then side step clear .. they were not in any danger other than the danger they put themself in. It's not acceptable here to kill people for fleeing. I realise it's more common in the US which has a reputation for LEO's shooing unarmed people in the back.
      - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        << They approached from the front, and stepped into the path of a turning "fleeing" vehicleto get a better shot at the driver and then jumping to the side. Friend. Just from pure logic if the path was blocked by ICE agent then her pressing a gas means attempt to run that ICE agent over. And if you look at the vid in slow motion, he does jump to the side to avoid a swipe. << That officer had the option to step either way And I guess this is where the lawyers will have a field day. Best I can say is that he is lucky to have protection that comes from being LEO, where the standard is just different. << I realise it's more common in the US which has a reputation for LEO's shooing unarmed people in the back. To be fair, here it was literally face to face. << She reversed, turned wheels to arc into the exiting lane and was shot by an officer who was already drawn prepared to fire. As I am rewatching the video in slow motion, it does seem like he was preparing for the eventuality, but the entire interaction and change in stance takes mere seconds. << this would have zero bearing on the "right" of a LEO to use lethal force. To me it is not the question of whether they are right, but whether she had a good reason to be there. If she was following them around and ended up in that situation as a result, I might be more inclined to give ICE a pass. If she is an actual random individual that simply did not know what to do and panicked, then it is an actual problem. That said, it does not appear atm that that was the case. FWIW, I am not happy about it as I believe it further undermines existing system, but what I think does not really matter.
        defrost 9mo ago
        > To me it is not the question of whether they are right, but whether she had a good reason to be there. To me that's irrelevant - FWiW I come from a largish extended family with more than a century of history in various military and civil conflicts. Well trained personnel should handle the situation of a vehicle blocking traffic in a civilian non theatre of war context in a manner that doesn't lead to escalation. > If she was following them around and ended up in that situation as a result, I might be more inclined to give ICE a pass. If she is an actual random individual that simply did not know what to do and panicked, then it is an actual problem. Either way, regardless of her background, three agents gave conflicting instructions, acted in a bullying manner, escalated a situation and shot a citizen. If she was there in protest, in a country that boasts free speech and the right to protest, that doesn't justify or give a pass to the clown show on camera.
    - cthalupa 9mo ago
      As others have noted, I don't understand how anyone can view that video and believe that any ICE agent was at risk of losing their life, but shooting at someone behind the wheel of a car that is heading towards you is not the correct way to resolve that situation even from a purely selfish and pragmatic perspective. We even see the "why" in this video. Dead people can't control the accelerator or the wheel. A severely injured person might just mash down on the pedal harder as a reaction. The car's most violent acceleration comes after she's been repeatedly shot.
      - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        Eh. No. The video suggests otherwise[1]. [1]https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm
        defrost 9mo ago
        "The video" sounds authoritive. The video linked is to a 4chan hosted selective cut and edit with overlaid commentary of questionable authority. Full raw video starts earlier, the audio includes conflicting instructions, the car reverses and moves forwards all before the linked video begins. The LEO LARPer in front of the car is "in danger" as they moved there in order to shoot the driver. A trained response and recommended protocol would be to let the vehicle go .. as they earlier commanded as they apparently wanted the road cleared. In that context, it appear to be a clusterfuck by untrained clowns resulting in a citizens death.
        iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        Full points for framing. No sale. I can give you it is a clusterfuck. As for untrained, well, I think based on the results, one could argue otherwise. I think I will stop responding and start heading to bed. This day sucks. Nevertheless, the conversation was interesting. Hope we can chat again at one point.
        cthalupa 9mo ago
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  The facts are she was given conflicting instructions and shot in the face several times at point blank range. There is no open mind to be had, the video evidence is clear. There was no imminent danger warranting lethal force.
  - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
      https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...
      - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        And what, in your own words, do you think it shows?
        toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        Let’s Call a Murder a Murder - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46547612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46547612 - January 2026
        iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        You know what? Fine. Lets play. Define murder friend.
        toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/law-enforcement/mgmt-dir_044-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/la...

Flagging this for being blatant misinformation. Have a great day.

iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago

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defrost 9mo ago
Obstructing LEOs, whether state or federal, isn't a death penalty offence (with or without a trial) here where I live. We even investigate and charge LEO's for rape, stalking, murder, etc. when they overstep boundaries.
- iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
  If.. and I do mean if there is a concern for life of the officer in question, yes, that is actually the expected response. And also yes, the officers in question are investigated afterwards, because you do want to know if the gun discharge was warranted. I watched the videos from several angles ( what a time to be alive ) and I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road, but.. I can't automatically say yay or nay. What I do know is that she had a choice to get out of the car, but chose to press gas.
  - defrost 9mo ago
    It's pretty clear from the videos that there was no danger to the officer that fired. They approached from the front, and stepped into the path of a turning "fleeing" vehicleto get a better shot at the driver and then jumping to the side. > I will admit I would like to see how her car got into the middle of the road I'm also curious about this, but in Australia this would have zero bearing on the "right" of a LEO to use lethal force. > What I do know is that she had a choice to get out of the car, but chose to press gas. She reversed, turned wheels to arc into the exiting lane and was shot by an officer who was already drawn prepared to fire. That officer had the option to step either way, that officer chose to step into the turning arc to get a better shot and then side step clear .. they were not in any danger other than the danger they put themself in. It's not acceptable here to kill people for fleeing. I realise it's more common in the US which has a reputation for LEO's shooing unarmed people in the back.
    - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
      << They approached from the front, and stepped into the path of a turning "fleeing" vehicleto get a better shot at the driver and then jumping to the side. Friend. Just from pure logic if the path was blocked by ICE agent then her pressing a gas means attempt to run that ICE agent over. And if you look at the vid in slow motion, he does jump to the side to avoid a swipe. << That officer had the option to step either way And I guess this is where the lawyers will have a field day. Best I can say is that he is lucky to have protection that comes from being LEO, where the standard is just different. << I realise it's more common in the US which has a reputation for LEO's shooing unarmed people in the back. To be fair, here it was literally face to face. << She reversed, turned wheels to arc into the exiting lane and was shot by an officer who was already drawn prepared to fire. As I am rewatching the video in slow motion, it does seem like he was preparing for the eventuality, but the entire interaction and change in stance takes mere seconds. << this would have zero bearing on the "right" of a LEO to use lethal force. To me it is not the question of whether they are right, but whether she had a good reason to be there. If she was following them around and ended up in that situation as a result, I might be more inclined to give ICE a pass. If she is an actual random individual that simply did not know what to do and panicked, then it is an actual problem. That said, it does not appear atm that that was the case. FWIW, I am not happy about it as I believe it further undermines existing system, but what I think does not really matter.
      - defrost 9mo ago
        > To me it is not the question of whether they are right, but whether she had a good reason to be there. To me that's irrelevant - FWiW I come from a largish extended family with more than a century of history in various military and civil conflicts. Well trained personnel should handle the situation of a vehicle blocking traffic in a civilian non theatre of war context in a manner that doesn't lead to escalation. > If she was following them around and ended up in that situation as a result, I might be more inclined to give ICE a pass. If she is an actual random individual that simply did not know what to do and panicked, then it is an actual problem. Either way, regardless of her background, three agents gave conflicting instructions, acted in a bullying manner, escalated a situation and shot a citizen. If she was there in protest, in a country that boasts free speech and the right to protest, that doesn't justify or give a pass to the clown show on camera.
  - cthalupa 9mo ago
    As others have noted, I don't understand how anyone can view that video and believe that any ICE agent was at risk of losing their life, but shooting at someone behind the wheel of a car that is heading towards you is not the correct way to resolve that situation even from a purely selfish and pragmatic perspective. We even see the "why" in this video. Dead people can't control the accelerator or the wheel. A severely injured person might just mash down on the pedal harder as a reaction. The car's most violent acceleration comes after she's been repeatedly shot.
    - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
      Eh. No. The video suggests otherwise[1]. [1]https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1767848684973262.webm
      - defrost 9mo ago
        "The video" sounds authoritive. The video linked is to a 4chan hosted selective cut and edit with overlaid commentary of questionable authority. Full raw video starts earlier, the audio includes conflicting instructions, the car reverses and moves forwards all before the linked video begins. The LEO LARPer in front of the car is "in danger" as they moved there in order to shoot the driver. A trained response and recommended protocol would be to let the vehicle go .. as they earlier commanded as they apparently wanted the road cleared. In that context, it appear to be a clusterfuck by untrained clowns resulting in a citizens death.
        iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        Full points for framing. No sale. I can give you it is a clusterfuck. As for untrained, well, I think based on the results, one could argue otherwise. I think I will stop responding and start heading to bed. This day sucks. Nevertheless, the conversation was interesting. Hope we can chat again at one point.
        cthalupa 9mo ago
toomuchtodo 9mo ago
The facts are she was given conflicting instructions and shot in the face several times at point blank range. There is no open mind to be had, the video evidence is clear. There was no imminent danger warranting lethal force.
- iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis...
    - iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
      And what, in your own words, do you think it shows?
      - toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        Let’s Call a Murder a Murder - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46547612 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46547612 - January 2026
        iugtmkbdfil834 9mo ago
        You know what? Fine. Lets play. Define murder friend.
        toomuchtodo 9mo ago
        https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/law-enforcement/mgmt-dir_044-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/la...