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Might be corrupt, but is at least closer to truth then the last corrupted version. Let's not let perfect be the enemy of progress

kristopolous 9mo ago
The incentives are wrong. Any good policy for bad incentives is temporary and incidental This policy selectively emphasizes the most difficult to import foods so it also plays into isolationist nativist policies. If you think meat lobbying groups just wanted a new triangle and this isn't going to extend to water, land, energy, and environmental policies along with farm subsidies and even merger&acquisition and liability policies, sorry ... This thing is for them, their profitability and their investors. They didn't lobby on behalf of your personal health... Open a position on the MOO ETF. I just did. Might as well make some money from it
- frinxor 9mo ago
  wrong incentives, good outcomes? is there a world where the long term outcomes are also good, or at least much better than the current ones? also, hi there! (da from oblong)
  - kristopolous 9mo ago
    Sure. What about the public citizen efforts for crumple zone and seat belts in the 1960s? Or are you saying bad incentives, good long term outcomes? Maybe Napoleon's rework of Paris? That was done to control public dissidents but it also made it a beautiful city. Mass timekeeping? Those were adopted for industrial labor... Seems to be quite useful Joint stock ownership was I think invented for the slave trade but that's proven to be generally useful. I think magnetic audio tape was made practical for a deceitful technique by the Nazis for claiming to be broadcasting live on the radio after they had fled... In each of these instances though the thing long outlived the initial user
bilbo0s 9mo ago
>but is at least closer to truth then [than?] the last corrupted version I'm pretty sure you did the rhetorical equivalent of looking at a roomful of pregnant high school girls.. .. and declaring one of them to be closest to virginity.
didibus 9mo ago
Is it? The change in recommendation is to have less veggies in favor of more meat. From all the recent research and meta studies I've seen it doesn't track. It's still decent a guidance, but the previous one was as well.
- hallole 9mo ago
  The first food group listed is literally meat and dairy. The ordering here is purposeful, too, as they admit. One promo graphic includes a block of butter and a carton explicitly labelled "whole milk." This is a very definite downgrade.
  - keleftheriou 9mo ago
    Why is that a downgrade?
    - smaudet 9mo ago
      Dairy/Meat are both inflammatory and overconsumption contributes to a whole host of medical disease. Some protein is obviously desirable, but the ratios, like anything else in chemistry/biology, are paramount. I don't think the USA has a problem with under consumption of meat and dairy. If anything, it has a long standing overconsumption problem.
      - toxik 9mo ago
        The relationship between dairy/meat and inflammation is more nuanced than that. While some studies show associations with inflammatory markers, others find neutral or even anti-inflammatory effects depending on the type (e.g., grass-fed vs grain-fed, fermented vs non-fermented dairy) and individual metabolic context. You're right that ratios matter enormously, but optimal ratios vary significantly by individual - genetics, activity level, metabolic health, and existing conditions all play roles. The overconsumption concern is valid for processed meats and in the context of sedentary lifestyles with excess calories, but the picture is less clear for whole-food animal proteins in balanced diets. The real issue might be less about meat/dairy per se and more about displacement of other beneficial foods (fiber, polyphenols, etc) and overall dietary patterns. Many Americans do overconsume calories generally, but some subpopulations (elderly, athletes, those on restricted diets) may actually benefit from more protein.
jibal 9mo ago
The last corrupted version had the same person at its head.

kristopolous 9mo ago

The incentives are wrong. Any good policy for bad incentives is temporary and incidental This policy selectively emphasizes the most difficult to import foods so it also plays into isolationist nativist policies. If you think meat lobbying groups just wanted a new triangle and this isn't going to extend to water, land, energy, and environmental policies along with farm subsidies and even merger&acquisition and liability policies, sorry ... This thing is for them, their profitability and their investors. They didn't lobby on behalf of your personal health... Open a position on the MOO ETF. I just did. Might as well make some money from it

frinxor 9mo ago
wrong incentives, good outcomes? is there a world where the long term outcomes are also good, or at least much better than the current ones? also, hi there! (da from oblong)
- kristopolous 9mo ago
  Sure. What about the public citizen efforts for crumple zone and seat belts in the 1960s? Or are you saying bad incentives, good long term outcomes? Maybe Napoleon's rework of Paris? That was done to control public dissidents but it also made it a beautiful city. Mass timekeeping? Those were adopted for industrial labor... Seems to be quite useful Joint stock ownership was I think invented for the slave trade but that's proven to be generally useful. I think magnetic audio tape was made practical for a deceitful technique by the Nazis for claiming to be broadcasting live on the radio after they had fled... In each of these instances though the thing long outlived the initial user

bilbo0s 9mo ago

>but is at least closer to truth then [than?] the last corrupted version I'm pretty sure you did the rhetorical equivalent of looking at a roomful of pregnant high school girls.. .. and declaring one of them to be closest to virginity.

didibus 9mo ago

Is it? The change in recommendation is to have less veggies in favor of more meat. From all the recent research and meta studies I've seen it doesn't track. It's still decent a guidance, but the previous one was as well.

hallole 9mo ago
The first food group listed is literally meat and dairy. The ordering here is purposeful, too, as they admit. One promo graphic includes a block of butter and a carton explicitly labelled "whole milk." This is a very definite downgrade.
- keleftheriou 9mo ago
  Why is that a downgrade?
  - smaudet 9mo ago
    Dairy/Meat are both inflammatory and overconsumption contributes to a whole host of medical disease. Some protein is obviously desirable, but the ratios, like anything else in chemistry/biology, are paramount. I don't think the USA has a problem with under consumption of meat and dairy. If anything, it has a long standing overconsumption problem.
    - toxik 9mo ago
      The relationship between dairy/meat and inflammation is more nuanced than that. While some studies show associations with inflammatory markers, others find neutral or even anti-inflammatory effects depending on the type (e.g., grass-fed vs grain-fed, fermented vs non-fermented dairy) and individual metabolic context. You're right that ratios matter enormously, but optimal ratios vary significantly by individual - genetics, activity level, metabolic health, and existing conditions all play roles. The overconsumption concern is valid for processed meats and in the context of sedentary lifestyles with excess calories, but the picture is less clear for whole-food animal proteins in balanced diets. The real issue might be less about meat/dairy per se and more about displacement of other beneficial foods (fiber, polyphenols, etc) and overall dietary patterns. Many Americans do overconsume calories generally, but some subpopulations (elderly, athletes, those on restricted diets) may actually benefit from more protein.

jibal 9mo ago

The last corrupted version had the same person at its head.