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False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically drivin

by silexia 9mo ago

False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

lamontcg 9mo ago
> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.
- silexia 9mo ago
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  - jadamson 9mo ago
    > Can you see which way a vehicles wheels are pointed when you are standing right in front of it? You're moving the goalposts. You said she tried to murder him, she clearly did not. What the officer perceived is another matter.
    - silexia 9mo ago
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      - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
        The officers were shouting at her to 'move move move'.
      - mindslight 9mo ago
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        lamontcg 9mo ago
        You're more likely to get scolded here for accusing that person of being a shill/troll than to see them get removed for acting exactly like one. That kind of neutral bias is selectively employed to protect right wing takes from getting attacked by more liberal ones. Although, here's pg with a brief moment of insight: https://xcancel.com/paulg/status/2009219891933630925 https://xcancel.com/paulg/status/2009219891933630925 > hardcore Trump supporters are indistinguishable from bots. That'd get him spanked on this forum if he didn't own it.
        Steltek 9mo ago
        I'm immediately reminded of this: --- The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. --- https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ...
        jacquesm 9mo ago
        It is unfortunately very true. For about 20 years I moderated a very large forum. We tried so hard to be even handed it was somewhat comical, and then one day I decided to just clean house. Things improved remarkably after that but there were always new people willing to see how far they could bend the rules. It's interesting how you get these new accounts on HN that immediately start lawyering with the rule book in hand. There is no way that that is organic. Dan & Tom are so incredibly restrained, I'd be much more of a shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later type because the longer such behavior goes on the more people will believe it is acceptable.
        9mo ago
robhlt 9mo ago
Shooting the driver of a car that's driving at you is not self defense. Cars don't instantly stop if the driver is incapacitated. You'll likely make the situation even worse because the incapacitated driver's foot will press the accelerator down (exactly what happened here). If your actual intent is to defend yourself the only move that makes any sense is to get out of the way.
_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
As is being downvoted for no reason in another post here, ICE broke all training for this type of incident. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852#rcrd95863 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...
- silexia 9mo ago
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  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    Did you read this link? This was what a Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News today, about this specific incident. Are you stating DHS who overseas ICE conducted a murder so they could spin far left talking points? Keep justifying the murder of a 37 year old mom of a now orphaned child because it threatens your political position.
    - jacquesm 9mo ago
      That's not why they are justifying it: they are justifying it because if they accept it they have to accept fractional responsibility for outcomes such as these and MAGA does not want anything to do with the negative fall out of their own actions.
      - mindslight 9mo ago
        From what I've observed solipsistic entitlement blaming everyone else while performing zero self-reflection is a core tenet of "MAGA". It's why boomers are attracted to it like flies to a rotting animal - they were promised everything for buying into the system and had the good life for "working hard", so if someone cannot repeat their "success" (nb. everything bubble) then it must be that person's own fault.
        jacquesm 9mo ago
kcplate 9mo ago
There is a zoomed in and slowed down video circulating that shows after the driver was told to exit the vehicle that they reversed the vehicle first and then placed the car into drive (when the LEO was directly in front of her car). The driver hit the accelerator hard enough that the tires spun before they finally gained traction and moved the vehicle forward towards the officer. The velocity in which the vehicle began moving before the shots were fired and ultimately slammed into the other vehicles seems to show that the accelerator was not gently pressed by the driver. Did she panic? Was she given conflicting commands? That is unknown, but the actions of the vehicle itself are consistent with the driver pressing the accelerator to quickly move the vehicle forward when the LEO was directly in front of it. The circumstances of the overall situation and the position of the vehicle before it was confronted and moved are consistent with someone attempting to block traffic on that street with their vehicle. The actions of the driver are consistent with someone attempting to evade.
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- eleventen 9mo ago
  Edit: this was a reddit link, but the post was deleted. If you zoom in and slowly scrub the video in the google drive you'll see the same thing though. Clearly shows that, at the moment the officer fires, he is not in front of the vehicle at all. He actually moves FURTHER toward the vehicle and leans over the hood in order to get a better shot. The angle Trump tweeted of course makes it seem like she rammed him, but this is the better angle to see the timing. She reverses and cuts it hard right, and he has to lean TOWARD her vehicle.
  - kcplate 9mo ago
    Here is the slowed down and zoomed video. https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562 https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562 Here is what I see in this video… - Officer at driver side window, reaches into vehicle while simultaneously trying to open the door (I cannot fathom why an officer would be reaching in the vehicle and attempting to open the door if he was giving the driver an order to move the vehicle, but perhaps there would be a reason for this). At this time the vehicle is moving backward, its tires turned to the left shifting the front of the vehicle to the right. The shooting officer comes into view but appears to be stationary. (This suggests that he was probably on the front right of the vehicle before the vehicle reversed). The reversing movement of the vehicle orients its front end to line up with him in front of the vehicle. - Shooting officer is in front of the car just left of center of the hood when vehicle starts moving forward - Vehicle tires spin before gaining traction and they are facing forward. The officer is directly in front of the vehicle at this moment - Vehicle tires are straight towards the officer until after he unholsters his firearm, only at that point does the vehicle wheels start turning towards the right. Also at this point the vehicle begins moving towards the right and the officer begins moving towards his right (to avoid being hit). - Officer is still at the front left corner of the vehicle when shooting but nearly clear. He is at an angle where it is possible for him to shoot through the windshield at the driver, his body dodges further to the right as he is firing his weapon. Additional shot appears to have been fired after he was cleared of the immediate danger.
_DeadFred_ 9mo ago
You all tried this narrative last time Ice shot someone up already. And the charges were dropped because it's a bullshit made up PR narrative to provide cover until time has passed. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/minneapolis-ice-shooting-franklin-park-marimar-martinez-operation-midway-blitz/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/minneapolis-ice-shootin...
carbonbioxide 9mo ago
Dude seriously, watch the video in slow motion and make a sane judgement. There's no reason at all they should've done that. She wasn't even running over him or pointing a gun or anything. If they wanted to catch her they could've done it.
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by silexia 9mo ago

lamontcg 9mo ago

> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.

silexia 9mo ago
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- jadamson 9mo ago
  > Can you see which way a vehicles wheels are pointed when you are standing right in front of it? You're moving the goalposts. You said she tried to murder him, she clearly did not. What the officer perceived is another matter.
  - silexia 9mo ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
      The officers were shouting at her to 'move move move'.
    - mindslight 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - lamontcg 9mo ago
        You're more likely to get scolded here for accusing that person of being a shill/troll than to see them get removed for acting exactly like one. That kind of neutral bias is selectively employed to protect right wing takes from getting attacked by more liberal ones. Although, here's pg with a brief moment of insight: https://xcancel.com/paulg/status/2009219891933630925 https://xcancel.com/paulg/status/2009219891933630925 > hardcore Trump supporters are indistinguishable from bots. That'd get him spanked on this forum if he didn't own it.
        Steltek 9mo ago
        I'm immediately reminded of this: --- The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. --- https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ...
        jacquesm 9mo ago
        It is unfortunately very true. For about 20 years I moderated a very large forum. We tried so hard to be even handed it was somewhat comical, and then one day I decided to just clean house. Things improved remarkably after that but there were always new people willing to see how far they could bend the rules. It's interesting how you get these new accounts on HN that immediately start lawyering with the rule book in hand. There is no way that that is organic. Dan & Tom are so incredibly restrained, I'd be much more of a shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later type because the longer such behavior goes on the more people will believe it is acceptable.
        9mo ago

robhlt 9mo ago

Shooting the driver of a car that's driving at you is not self defense. Cars don't instantly stop if the driver is incapacitated. You'll likely make the situation even worse because the incapacitated driver's foot will press the accelerator down (exactly what happened here). If your actual intent is to defend yourself the only move that makes any sense is to get out of the way.

_DeadFred_ 9mo ago

As is being downvoted for no reason in another post here, ICE broke all training for this type of incident. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852#rcrd95863 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...

silexia 9mo ago
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- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  Did you read this link? This was what a Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News today, about this specific incident. Are you stating DHS who overseas ICE conducted a murder so they could spin far left talking points? Keep justifying the murder of a 37 year old mom of a now orphaned child because it threatens your political position.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    That's not why they are justifying it: they are justifying it because if they accept it they have to accept fractional responsibility for outcomes such as these and MAGA does not want anything to do with the negative fall out of their own actions.
    - mindslight 9mo ago
      From what I've observed solipsistic entitlement blaming everyone else while performing zero self-reflection is a core tenet of "MAGA". It's why boomers are attracted to it like flies to a rotting animal - they were promised everything for buying into the system and had the good life for "working hard", so if someone cannot repeat their "success" (nb. everything bubble) then it must be that person's own fault.
      - jacquesm 9mo ago

kcplate 9mo ago

There is a zoomed in and slowed down video circulating that shows after the driver was told to exit the vehicle that they reversed the vehicle first and then placed the car into drive (when the LEO was directly in front of her car). The driver hit the accelerator hard enough that the tires spun before they finally gained traction and moved the vehicle forward towards the officer. The velocity in which the vehicle began moving before the shots were fired and ultimately slammed into the other vehicles seems to show that the accelerator was not gently pressed by the driver. Did she panic? Was she given conflicting commands? That is unknown, but the actions of the vehicle itself are consistent with the driver pressing the accelerator to quickly move the vehicle forward when the LEO was directly in front of it. The circumstances of the overall situation and the position of the vehicle before it was confronted and moved are consistent with someone attempting to block traffic on that street with their vehicle. The actions of the driver are consistent with someone attempting to evade.

deleted 9mo ago
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eleventen 9mo ago
Edit: this was a reddit link, but the post was deleted. If you zoom in and slowly scrub the video in the google drive you'll see the same thing though. Clearly shows that, at the moment the officer fires, he is not in front of the vehicle at all. He actually moves FURTHER toward the vehicle and leans over the hood in order to get a better shot. The angle Trump tweeted of course makes it seem like she rammed him, but this is the better angle to see the timing. She reverses and cuts it hard right, and he has to lean TOWARD her vehicle.
- kcplate 9mo ago
  Here is the slowed down and zoomed video. https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562 https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008976092326203562 Here is what I see in this video… - Officer at driver side window, reaches into vehicle while simultaneously trying to open the door (I cannot fathom why an officer would be reaching in the vehicle and attempting to open the door if he was giving the driver an order to move the vehicle, but perhaps there would be a reason for this). At this time the vehicle is moving backward, its tires turned to the left shifting the front of the vehicle to the right. The shooting officer comes into view but appears to be stationary. (This suggests that he was probably on the front right of the vehicle before the vehicle reversed). The reversing movement of the vehicle orients its front end to line up with him in front of the vehicle. - Shooting officer is in front of the car just left of center of the hood when vehicle starts moving forward - Vehicle tires spin before gaining traction and they are facing forward. The officer is directly in front of the vehicle at this moment - Vehicle tires are straight towards the officer until after he unholsters his firearm, only at that point does the vehicle wheels start turning towards the right. Also at this point the vehicle begins moving towards the right and the officer begins moving towards his right (to avoid being hit). - Officer is still at the front left corner of the vehicle when shooting but nearly clear. He is at an angle where it is possible for him to shoot through the windshield at the driver, his body dodges further to the right as he is firing his weapon. Additional shot appears to have been fired after he was cleared of the immediate danger.

_DeadFred_ 9mo ago

You all tried this narrative last time Ice shot someone up already. And the charges were dropped because it's a bullshit made up PR narrative to provide cover until time has passed. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/minneapolis-ice-shooting-franklin-park-marimar-martinez-operation-midway-blitz/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/minneapolis-ice-shootin...

carbonbioxide 9mo ago

Dude seriously, watch the video in slow motion and make a sane judgement. There's no reason at all they should've done that. She wasn't even running over him or pointing a gun or anything. If they wanted to catch her they could've done it.

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