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I have a friend who has someone who has repeatedly threatened to assault her, and her primary protection is keeping her address hidden from him. Should she neve

I have a friend who has someone who has repeatedly threatened to assault her, and her primary protection is keeping her address hidden from him. Should she never be allowed to own a house at risk of being assaulted?

jasonfarnon 9mo ago
Maybe have a limited exception then, like rape shield laws. You don't need to gut the entire framework for this rare situation. (Plus it would be fun to watch corporate lawyers try to exploit this loophole.)
- JoshTriplett 9mo ago
  Or maybe just stop telling people what cases are "legitimate" reasons to protect themselves and what cases aren't. I know multiple people who have gotten death threats because of technical comments they made online, or just for having the temerity to exist as a member of a minority group. Not the vague "I'm going to kill you" kind, the "here's a picture of your front door on Google Street View, and an unsolicited pizza, I could SWAT you at any arbitrary 3am, have fun being afraid" type.
  - Y_Y 9mo ago
    I don't feel like the solution to this is having victims set up LLCs.
    - b112 9mo ago
      You're advocating taking away, a method people have to protect themselves, with a simple "oh, I'm not so sure". How about you make an iron clad promise people will be safe? How about if someone dies because of your minor concerns, you go to jail for life? Would you be so "oh well" then? If not, you're probably not taking people's very lives seriously.
      - Forgeties79 9mo ago
        I mean I get where they are coming from. It doesn’t strike you as a little odd that people have to protect themselves from dangerous individuals stalking them by setting up businesses? That’s not a little circuitous/indirect? Is that really in line with the purpose of setting up a business in the first place? It’s not like that’s the only way to hide your identity, it’s just one currently available. Plus it’s a very trivial to look up who owns an LLC at least in my state. Not the best solution IMO Either way I think you’re being a little uncharitable towards them. I don’t think they’re trivializing it, I think they’re asking a very legitimate question.
      - Y_Y 9mo ago
        Do you find this style of argument to be productive?
    - JoshTriplett 9mo ago
      It isn't, but that's the best solution that is currently available to people. A better solution would be to stop putting people's addresses in public records, and eliminating data brokers that expose name/address correlations.
- j4kp07 9mo ago
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klipklop 9mo ago
This is pure whataboutism and made in bad faith. I feel for your friend (if they exist beyond you trying to make an argument), but there are various physical and legal ways to protect yourself from this situation in the US. This edge case is not a good enough reason help shield foreign oligarchs and large corps holding real estate in secret. There is probably a compromise somewhere between both extremes.
- gbear605 9mo ago
  You'll have to trust me that she's real, but I promise you that this is a real situation that she's actually concerned about.
- JoshTriplett 9mo ago
  > This is pure whataboutism This is by definition not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you distract from a thing with unrelated things (e.g. "but there are more important bad things going on in the world than this!"). It is not whataboutism to bring up legitimate related counterarguments for a policy.
  - klipklop 9mo ago
    True, I did misuse it to a degree. I was actually a bit unsure.
BobbyJo 9mo ago
I think its pretty easy to separate investment properties from primary residences when it comes to transparency requirements.

jasonfarnon 9mo ago

Maybe have a limited exception then, like rape shield laws. You don't need to gut the entire framework for this rare situation. (Plus it would be fun to watch corporate lawyers try to exploit this loophole.)

JoshTriplett 9mo ago
Or maybe just stop telling people what cases are "legitimate" reasons to protect themselves and what cases aren't. I know multiple people who have gotten death threats because of technical comments they made online, or just for having the temerity to exist as a member of a minority group. Not the vague "I'm going to kill you" kind, the "here's a picture of your front door on Google Street View, and an unsolicited pizza, I could SWAT you at any arbitrary 3am, have fun being afraid" type.
- Y_Y 9mo ago
  I don't feel like the solution to this is having victims set up LLCs.
  - b112 9mo ago
    You're advocating taking away, a method people have to protect themselves, with a simple "oh, I'm not so sure". How about you make an iron clad promise people will be safe? How about if someone dies because of your minor concerns, you go to jail for life? Would you be so "oh well" then? If not, you're probably not taking people's very lives seriously.
    - Forgeties79 9mo ago
      I mean I get where they are coming from. It doesn’t strike you as a little odd that people have to protect themselves from dangerous individuals stalking them by setting up businesses? That’s not a little circuitous/indirect? Is that really in line with the purpose of setting up a business in the first place? It’s not like that’s the only way to hide your identity, it’s just one currently available. Plus it’s a very trivial to look up who owns an LLC at least in my state. Not the best solution IMO Either way I think you’re being a little uncharitable towards them. I don’t think they’re trivializing it, I think they’re asking a very legitimate question.
    - Y_Y 9mo ago
      Do you find this style of argument to be productive?
  - JoshTriplett 9mo ago
    It isn't, but that's the best solution that is currently available to people. A better solution would be to stop putting people's addresses in public records, and eliminating data brokers that expose name/address correlations.
j4kp07 9mo ago
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klipklop 9mo ago

This is pure whataboutism and made in bad faith. I feel for your friend (if they exist beyond you trying to make an argument), but there are various physical and legal ways to protect yourself from this situation in the US. This edge case is not a good enough reason help shield foreign oligarchs and large corps holding real estate in secret. There is probably a compromise somewhere between both extremes.

gbear605 9mo ago
You'll have to trust me that she's real, but I promise you that this is a real situation that she's actually concerned about.
JoshTriplett 9mo ago
> This is pure whataboutism This is by definition not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you distract from a thing with unrelated things (e.g. "but there are more important bad things going on in the world than this!"). It is not whataboutism to bring up legitimate related counterarguments for a policy.
- klipklop 9mo ago
  True, I did misuse it to a degree. I was actually a bit unsure.

BobbyJo 9mo ago

I think its pretty easy to separate investment properties from primary residences when it comes to transparency requirements.