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I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the Na

by baubino 10mo ago

I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.” It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. edit: More about Walz’s statement: > In addition to readying the state’s National Guard, the governor said the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is investigating the incident, where masked agents were recorded approaching a vehicle in the middle of a Minneapolis street and an agent then fired shots into the car after it accelerated. Walz also said he activated the State Emergency Operation Center and members of the State Patrol’s Mobile Response Team. > “From here on, I have a very simple message: We do not need any further help from the federal government,” Walz said. “To Donald Trump and [Homeland Security Secretary] Kristi Noem, you’ve done enough.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnesota-national-guard-ice-shooting/ https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnes...

mothballed 10mo ago
He's deploying the national guard because anyone with half a brain understands riots are likely. His reasoning has to not betray that though; even if he legitimately intends to use the NG to block ICE that's not the primary reason why he's sending them out right after the exact conditions are met that caused utter chaos in Minneapolis before. It's just better politically to say "to stop ICE" rather than say "shit's looking like it could pop off and I need to be prepared either way."
- baubino 10mo ago
  Yeah, I get the riot threat and I’m not suggesting that the National Guard is being called to stop ICE. But instead questioning what it means to have the guard come in to “protect” areas that are likely going to be where people are protesting against ICE. That pits the National Guard in opposition to ICE. Washington, DC just went through a version of this but different because it wasn’t the local National Guard and it wasn’t the local politicians calling them in. In either case, having one law enforcement agency occupying the same space as another without explicit coordination between them (and in this case where one is being called because of the actions of the other) is dicey and strikes me as meaningful and potentially dangerous escalation of the situation.
mickle00 10mo ago
absolutely the right move to defend the people
- bakies 9mo ago
  sad that this is a controversial opinion
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  What makes you so sure that will be the outcome? I'd love to see ICE being shown up by heavily outfitted NG but I rather suspect that that will not be what happens.
RickJWagner 10mo ago
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- baubino 10mo ago
  I’m not saying that he’s sending the guard after ICE (he doesn’t say that and I’m not suggesting he is saying that). But he is calling the National Guard to “protect” in a condition in which there is another law enforcement agency. The places where the National Guard would be “keeping the peace” are the places where people are protesting against ICE which are places where ICE is conducting raids.
silexia 10mo ago
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- tencentshill 10mo ago
  >massive fraud that he personally benefitted from That is an extraordinary claim. You must have extraordinary evidence. Good work uncovering that! I'm sure the FBI would love to hear about it and arrest him alongside the 80 other convicted fraudsters.
kcplate 10mo ago
> It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. It’s to motivate peace and riot control due to the situation. If he had some “knucklehead” notion to pit The NG against ICE, the federal government would simply federalize the NG and remove it from state control. I think he’s a goof, but he’s smarter than that, plus as a former NG, he knows how the NG command structure works.
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- tastyface 10mo ago
  Seems pretty clear to me that state governors need to start cultivating their own State Guards, and by the thousands.
  - kcplate 10mo ago
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    - tastyface 10mo ago
      A lot has changed since 2022.
      - kcplate 10mo ago
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        tastyface 10mo ago
        No: a fascist is in the white house, is illegally deploying national guard troops to occupy Democratic cities, and his brownshirts are outright shooting peaceful citizens in the head while branding them terrorists. As per the article you are commenting on. A State Guard is the obvious counter to a rogue executive branch when checks and balances have failed. Alternatively, at some point, people are going to start organizing actual defensive militias out of sheer necessity.
mindslight 10mo ago
About fucking time. State governments need to be proactively protecting their citizens from these lawless terror squads running amok under the pretense of "immigration". Also let's be clear here, most of these "ICE" jackboots are chickenshit gravy seals whose training amounts to weekend cosplay sessions while whining about Joebiden, which is why they're murdering women in cars. They won't be raising their weapons when soldiers who signed up to defend this country show up.
dragonwriter 9mo ago
Note that an update today was provided that the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is unable to do anything meaningful to investigate the incident because the FBI has backtracked on previous indications of cooperation and decided to deny them access to any evidence gathered in the course of the federal investigation (and obviously, federal agents controlled the actual crime scene, are the only ones who even have the identity of the agents involved—though what they revealed about background in attempting to burnish the image of the shooter without identifying them has led to a probable identification of the shooter—and control essentially the bulk of the physical evidence.)

by baubino 10mo ago

mothballed 10mo ago

He's deploying the national guard because anyone with half a brain understands riots are likely. His reasoning has to not betray that though; even if he legitimately intends to use the NG to block ICE that's not the primary reason why he's sending them out right after the exact conditions are met that caused utter chaos in Minneapolis before. It's just better politically to say "to stop ICE" rather than say "shit's looking like it could pop off and I need to be prepared either way."

baubino 10mo ago
Yeah, I get the riot threat and I’m not suggesting that the National Guard is being called to stop ICE. But instead questioning what it means to have the guard come in to “protect” areas that are likely going to be where people are protesting against ICE. That pits the National Guard in opposition to ICE. Washington, DC just went through a version of this but different because it wasn’t the local National Guard and it wasn’t the local politicians calling them in. In either case, having one law enforcement agency occupying the same space as another without explicit coordination between them (and in this case where one is being called because of the actions of the other) is dicey and strikes me as meaningful and potentially dangerous escalation of the situation.

mickle00 10mo ago

absolutely the right move to defend the people

bakies 9mo ago
sad that this is a controversial opinion
jacquesm 9mo ago
What makes you so sure that will be the outcome? I'd love to see ICE being shown up by heavily outfitted NG but I rather suspect that that will not be what happens.

RickJWagner 10mo ago

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baubino 10mo ago
I’m not saying that he’s sending the guard after ICE (he doesn’t say that and I’m not suggesting he is saying that). But he is calling the National Guard to “protect” in a condition in which there is another law enforcement agency. The places where the National Guard would be “keeping the peace” are the places where people are protesting against ICE which are places where ICE is conducting raids.

silexia 10mo ago

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tencentshill 10mo ago
>massive fraud that he personally benefitted from That is an extraordinary claim. You must have extraordinary evidence. Good work uncovering that! I'm sure the FBI would love to hear about it and arrest him alongside the 80 other convicted fraudsters.

kcplate 10mo ago

> It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. It’s to motivate peace and riot control due to the situation. If he had some “knucklehead” notion to pit The NG against ICE, the federal government would simply federalize the NG and remove it from state control. I think he’s a goof, but he’s smarter than that, plus as a former NG, he knows how the NG command structure works.

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tastyface 10mo ago
Seems pretty clear to me that state governors need to start cultivating their own State Guards, and by the thousands.
- kcplate 10mo ago
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  - tastyface 10mo ago
    A lot has changed since 2022.
    - kcplate 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      - tastyface 10mo ago
        No: a fascist is in the white house, is illegally deploying national guard troops to occupy Democratic cities, and his brownshirts are outright shooting peaceful citizens in the head while branding them terrorists. As per the article you are commenting on. A State Guard is the obvious counter to a rogue executive branch when checks and balances have failed. Alternatively, at some point, people are going to start organizing actual defensive militias out of sheer necessity.

mindslight 10mo ago

About fucking time. State governments need to be proactively protecting their citizens from these lawless terror squads running amok under the pretense of "immigration". Also let's be clear here, most of these "ICE" jackboots are chickenshit gravy seals whose training amounts to weekend cosplay sessions while whining about Joebiden, which is why they're murdering women in cars. They won't be raising their weapons when soldiers who signed up to defend this country show up.

dragonwriter 9mo ago

Note that an update today was provided that the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is unable to do anything meaningful to investigate the incident because the FBI has backtracked on previous indications of cooperation and decided to deny them access to any evidence gathered in the course of the federal investigation (and obviously, federal agents controlled the actual crime scene, are the only ones who even have the identity of the agents involved—though what they revealed about background in attempting to burnish the image of the shooter without identifying them has led to a probable identification of the shooter—and control essentially the bulk of the physical evidence.)