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Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the
by zingababba 9mo ago
Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
- Tadpole9181 9mo agoICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not debating that. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen vid from the lead-up so I can see for myself.
- willmarch 9mo agoIt doesn’t matter.
- zingababba 9mo agoWhat doesn't? My desire? How can you say my desire does not matter?
- willmarch 9mo agoIt doesn't matter to the current conversation and it feels more like you're trying to create a distraction from the core of the issue being discussed than inquiring in good faith. If you truly desire such information so adamantly, you can easily do a search for it elsewhere without derailing the discussion here.
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- kcplate 9mo agoAre you really suggesting that an armed federal law enforcement officer doesn’t have the ability to detain someone that they suspect is interfering with one of their operations? You might want to cite some case law here supporting that assertion. They may not be able to charge someone with a traffic infraction but can they detain someone? Absolutely.
- eleventen 9mo agoShe wasn't blocking at all. Please watch the video. In one of them a car passes in front of her without trouble. It's a 2 lane 1 way road, she's only in 1 lane.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not debating that's the case in the vids we have but my question stands.
- jacquesm 9mo agoIt does not. Even if what you speculated was true that is not a capital crime, and that 'officer' (I use the word lightly) is not judge, jury and executioner.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not speculating anything which is why I was asking rofl. You online agitators are a funny bunch.
- baubino 9mo agoEven if she had been illegally blockading traffic for hours, that infraction is not legally punishable by execution.
- mothballed 9mo agoIt's de facto legal if you'll get away with it. Lon Horiuchi executed (sniped from a distance) an innocent woman holding a child at Ruby Ridge over what was ultimately a missed court date for a crime her husband was acquitted of. He was then promoted and went on to take part in Waco. When he was prosecuted, the feds played jurisdiction games fucking with the case until the case was so cold it was difficult to prosecute. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[11] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[6] The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[6] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges, because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed.
- croon 9mo agoIllegal but unenforced is still illegal.
- mothballed 9mo agode jure illegal but unenforced is de facto legal. de jure legal but enforced is de facto illegal.
- croon 9mo agoWhich is why de facto legality is very low value discussion fodder in an environment of rampant unenforcement of laws.