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Why do you need to "argue" with it? I read it as more of a precautionary tale: don't immediately dismiss something because you haven't seen it happen first han

Why do you need to "argue" with it? I read it as more of a precautionary tale: don't immediately dismiss something because you haven't seen it happen first hand, or it's not an issue within your immediate circle.

Tichy 14y ago
I don't think Laura dismissed anything, she just pointed out that the problem is not as universal as some make it out to be. The response by KS to me boiled down to "just wait, it'll happen to you, too", essentially claiming that it does effect everyone after all. I intend in no way to diminish KS' personal experience, it just seemed odd as a response (to me anyway). To put it into an extreme example: I think it must be possible to say "I have never been raped" without being accused of claiming that nobody has ever been raped.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  Considering Kathy's history, I think she probably has a bit more experience with harassment than either you or Laura. Given that, isn't it a bit strange that you're dismissing her opinion out of hand? > To put it into an extreme example Please don't.
  - Tichy 14y ago
    I am not dismissing her experience, just the notion that because she has more experience, other, "lesser" opinions are invalid. Also, I suppose Laura has more experience with not being harassed, so why dismiss her opinion out of hand? Anyway, this one is not going to be resolved by logic... Do you really believe that every woman will experience harassment eventually?
    - anthonyb 14y ago
      It's statistically very likely.
      - Tichy 14y ago
        Then show the statistics, please? I agree that most women will be hit on by unpleasant people now and then, but I mean serious stuff (career changing stuff).
        Tichy 14y ago
        Note: I've decided to log out of HN now, as discussions are generally a waste of time. In case you respond to my above comment, we'll probably start the whole useless circle again. Discussing what is and what is not sexism and so on. Instead, just read Laura's article again, she put it much better than I can. Apart from that, the topic is too complex for deeply nested HN comments...

Tichy 14y ago

I don't think Laura dismissed anything, she just pointed out that the problem is not as universal as some make it out to be. The response by KS to me boiled down to "just wait, it'll happen to you, too", essentially claiming that it does effect everyone after all. I intend in no way to diminish KS' personal experience, it just seemed odd as a response (to me anyway). To put it into an extreme example: I think it must be possible to say "I have never been raped" without being accused of claiming that nobody has ever been raped.

anthonyb 14y ago
Considering Kathy's history, I think she probably has a bit more experience with harassment than either you or Laura. Given that, isn't it a bit strange that you're dismissing her opinion out of hand? > To put it into an extreme example Please don't.
- Tichy 14y ago
  I am not dismissing her experience, just the notion that because she has more experience, other, "lesser" opinions are invalid. Also, I suppose Laura has more experience with not being harassed, so why dismiss her opinion out of hand? Anyway, this one is not going to be resolved by logic... Do you really believe that every woman will experience harassment eventually?
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    It's statistically very likely.
    - Tichy 14y ago
      Then show the statistics, please? I agree that most women will be hit on by unpleasant people now and then, but I mean serious stuff (career changing stuff).
      - Tichy 14y ago
        Note: I've decided to log out of HN now, as discussions are generally a waste of time. In case you respond to my above comment, we'll probably start the whole useless circle again. Discussing what is and what is not sexism and so on. Instead, just read Laura's article again, she put it much better than I can. Apart from that, the topic is too complex for deeply nested HN comments...