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HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip
- halperter 10mo agoHow does cooling get implemented? I can only really think of a Pi500 as a similar concept, except that the Pi is (likely) much less power intense. If they're using a Ryzen 300, wouldn't heat dissapation become an issue? The keyboard looks too thin for extensive heat transfer. I guess they could use a undervolted Ryzen 300 but it just seems like there is too much power delivery needs inside such a small frame.
- tonymet 10mo agospecs are unclear, but given the size, TDP and optional battery, it almost certainly has a laptop-scale fan and heat sink. Modern fans are pretty quiet, nearly silent at idle, so it's not an issue.
- tonymet 10mo agothere was a teardown showing the fan. very typical laptop fan
- LoveMortuus 10mo agoOne of the YouTubers had open it up, it uses laptop fans, it itself, is basically a squished laptop. I’m excited though. I always liked that form factor. Add some good HUD glasses and a mouse and were sailing free!
- brudgers 10mo agoIn a few years, there will be more (relative} gold in thriftshop keyboard sludge-piles.
- claaams 10mo agoI want less microsoft/copilot in things, not more. I don't know who this is for.
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- Nextgrid 10mo agoI don't understand the advantages of this over a laptop (this is essentially laptop-grade hardware and thermal profile but without the screen & battery).
- ghshephard 10mo agoIt has an optional battery. This could be pretty epic for a glasses interface.
- bitwize 10mo agoSo a real cyberdeck then? (Case's Ono-Sendai was a plain slab with a keyboard and interface for the "trodes" that communicated directly with your brain.)
- prmoustache 10mo agoYou'd want a TKL, not a 105 keys at the very least if you were interested by portability.
- AdrianB1 10mo agoYou don't have to pay for the small laptop screen. That makes it cheaper, smaller, lighter, in theory.
- Kwpolska 10mo agoIt also ties you to a desk. If you're working in one location, a desktop PC would be more cost-effective and more performant. If you need mobility between desks, a small form factor PC would be easier to carry. And if you are an employer and expect employees to work from home on this keyboard, you need to buy monitors for their homes.
- gnabgib 10mo agoEditorialized title (The powerful AI PC that hides in plain sight) Actual coverage from Ars: HP's EliteBoard G1a is a Ryzen-powered Windows 11 PC in a membrane keyboard (3 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46551335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46551335
- hunterloftis 10mo agoGiven the weird take on x86 being inherently "more powerful" and the copy-pasted error from the marketing site (32W vs 32WH) this "article" looks like gently massaged advertising copy: > Alternatively, HP’s EliteBoard will bring Windows and a more powerful x86 architecture to the keyboard-PC form factor. HP says the EliteBoard will support Windows 11 Pro for Business and an AMD Ryzen AI 300-series processor with an up to 50 TOPs NPU. The device will be sold with a 32 W internal battery and is part of Microsoft’s Copilot+ PC program.
- plagiarist 10mo agoAre the little NUC sized boxes too obtrusive? I don't understand who will buy this keyboard.
- tonymet 10mo agointegrated keyboard & power mean only a single connection when you arrive. Even BT can be a pain, especially if it doesn't pair, you are left with a headless and keyboardless NUC box.
- KerbalNo15 10mo agoIncorrectly advertising battery capacity as 32W instead of (presumably) 32WH is a hilarious mistake for a company the size of HP
- kstrauser 10mo agoYou beat me to it. 32W, but for how long? 8 hours? 11 seconds? 32W would be true in both cases.
- atoav 10mo ago5 attoseconds
- ksec 10mo agoI mean at least they didn't use mah. I am surprised it actually have a battery in it I thought you would have to plug it in to use it.
- dragonwriter 10mo agoThe battery is optional, and from the ad copy not intended to power active “use” only moving between different (presumably nearby) work locations without shutting down (probably sleep.)
- Karliss 10mo agoI would guess that it also helps with accidental restarts due to power loss while repositioning the keyboard on your desk. It doesn't take much force to pull out USB-C.
- perihelions 10mo agoIf there was any doubt left whether Hewlett-Packard is still a company run by engineers, that was a clean way to dispel it.
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- supermatt 10mo ago> the worlds most serviceable keyboard PC. Any idea why raspberry didn’t use compute modules in the pi500? IMHO that should have been trivially upgradable but will likely be the shortest lived keyboard I’ve ever had when the pi6 comes out.
- bilekas 10mo ago> Launch Microsoft Copilot in Windows with a touch of the Copilot key,4 to write content, analyze data, and stay organized. Oh thank goodness. This whole product idea is further trying to gatekeep computing hardware. You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.
- chroma205 10mo ago> You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing. What’s wrong with that?
- isoprophlex 10mo agoConcentration of compute will be used as a vehicle for further concentration of power and wealth.
- venndeezl 10mo agoNah by then the collapse of jobs will have freed up 10s of millions with access to guns. Lots of guns.
- throwaway132448 10mo agoThe complete lack of autonomy.
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- outrun86 10mo ago“Ok hear me out, a laptop but without the screen”
- isoprophlex 10mo agoNot any laptop, an AI copilot laptop!
- bitwize 10mo agoAh, the HP-99/4A. I'd heard of this and kinda almost wanted one, but I think skyrocketing RAM and SSD prices will make it even more not worth the money/hassle.
- nl 10mo agoAMD Ryzen AI 300 These are great. The Ryzen AI series are the ones that allow memory to be shared between the GPU and CPU, so you can use almost all your system RAM to run local models. The AI 395+ MAX is available with up to 128Gb RAM (and I think 256Gb is coming). The important thing is how much RAM it comes with because it is soldered - and for some reason this doesn't seem to show the RAM!
- olyjohn 10mo agoWhat's old is new again. Hasn't anybody seen a Commodore 64?
- sfortis 10mo agoMy first PC was a Schneider Euro PC. Now, this is even slimmer!
- hulitu 10mo agoCompared with Commodore 64, this HP is a parody. They spared the space to a minimum (is cheap plastic so expensive ?), the keyboard is terrible. The main advantage seems to be that, if you try to actually use it, it will force you to take a break, because your fingers will be burning from touching the keys heated by the processor.
- prmoustache 10mo agoI'd welcome a heated keyboard right now, temp is 17°C in my office as I am writing this and I do feel my fingers tend to be less reactive. Funny because I don't mind 17°C outside.
- mannycalavera42 10mo agoand to reset it you just have to type SYS 64738
- toyg 10mo agoI actually love the concept. It's effectively like the iMac, except more flexible and serviceable - great for kiosks and shared workstations. One could also couple it with AR glasses like the XREAL One and have portable computing but more immersive (although it looks a little big for that). I don't understand the scepticism - surely it's good that we see some experimentation again on the form factor of computing, we cannot just accept that the laptop is all we'll ever get. Yeah, the copy is stupid, but that's just marketing.
- wolrah 10mo ago> great for kiosks and shared workstations. Absolutely not. For a kiosk, I want everything the user is touching to be effectively disposable. Keyboards and mice are cheap and trivial to replace, this design integrates the most important part of the system in to one of the easiest parts to damage/steal. It's possibly the worst way to do a kiosk. For a shared workstation, likewise if I'm the user I want to be able to bring my own keyboard and mouse, both for sanitary reasons (have you seen the way people treat their own keyboards, much less shared ones?) and for personal preference. This design integrates the most important part of the system with the part most likely to get gunked up. Even for the idea of a shared docking station where each user has their own keyboard PC, it's a crappy keyboard. Perhaps if it were a nice mechanical board with swappable keyswitches that might not be terrible, but as it is it's all of the downsides of a laptop without the ability to actually use it undocked. Whatever use cases may exist where this is actually an improvement are very specific niches.
- boobsbr 10mo ago> For a kiosk, I want everything the user is touching to be effectively disposable. Or built like a tank that is easy to powerwash.
- nxobject 10mo agoAs someone who's wrangled IT in college libraries before, that's slightly unfair - they do have a Kensington lock for the keyboard. It's locking up the rest of the cables that'll be the issue, as well as a preference for ethernet. Mice and ethernet cables were stolen the most... inevitably the mice ending making cheapo Chromebooks less miserable, and the ethernet cables ended up at LAN parties. The users we trusted got laptops anyway.
- GeorgeTirebiter 10mo agoI want one the size and shape of the HP-200LX. Oh, in that case, please add a 4K color OLED screen and 5G radio. Lenovo stick for mouse.
- sfortis 10mo agono thanks, i prefer a https://frame.work/gr/en/desktop https://frame.work/gr/en/desktop
- Animats 10mo agoThe fine print: HP recommends Windows 11 Pro for Business. Not all features are available in all editions or versions of Windows. Systems may require upgraded and/or separately purchased hardware, drivers, software or BIOS update to take full advantage of Windows functionality. Windows 11 is automatically updated, which is always enabled. High speed internet and Microsoft account required. ISP fees may apply and additional requirements may apply over time for updates. Features and software that require a NPU may require software purchase, subscription or enablement by a software or platform provider, and third-party software may have specific configuration or compatibility requirements. Potential NPU inferencing performance varies by use, configuration, and other factors. Microsoft Copilot requires Windows 11. Some features require an NPU. Timing of feature delivery and availability varies by market and device. Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine.
- toyg 10mo agoThat's... standard Windows? It's 100% the same for Apple machines, if stated in more mellifluous tones (or not stated at all, because "screw you, we're Apple"), and even more so for Chromebooks.
- bilekas 10mo ago> It's 100% the same for Apple machines, > Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine. An Apple account is most certainly not needed to log in. In-fact being online is not even a requirement for Apple devices. Wild idea, I know.
- Karliss 10mo agoWindows11 making it hard to create a local account is a separate topic. The fine print notes refer to to specific features. In this cases it's "4." for Copilot. You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page for apple hardware. If you looked at the bottom of page for any of apple computers you will see similar fine print. For example https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/ . > 22 Requires that your iPhone and Mac are signed in with the same Apple Account using two-factor authentication, your iPhone and Mac are near each other and have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi turned on, and your Mac is not using AirPlay or Sidecar. Some iPhone features (e.g., camera and microphone) are not compatible with iPhone Mirroring. > 23. SMS requires an iPhone or iPad with iOS 8.1 or later or iPadOS. iPhone calls require an iPhone with iOS 8 or later. > To access and use all Apple Card features and products available only to Apple Card users, you must add Apple Card to Wallet on an iPhone or iPad that supports and has the latest version of iOS or iPadOS. > iMovie, GarageBand, Pages, Numbers, and Keynote are available on the Mac App Store. Downloading apps requires an Apple Account and a device that is compatible with the OS version required for each app. And seems like there are a few more things advertised as features of specific apple hardware which probably won't work without apple account but lacks fine print at the bottom for example iCloud.
- merelysounds 10mo agoI dislike how ai is a major selling point of this computer; then again, I understand it’s a buzzword at this point. Funnily enough, with the name being “HP EliteBoard G1a Next Gen AI PC”, I know I’m supposed to read it as “(next gen) ai”, but I can’t help seeing “next (gen ai)”.
- thisislife2 10mo agoI think I'll just wait for Chinese to create their clones of this and buy it at half the price.
- ghusto 10mo agoWedge computers came out in the 80s, I'm not sure which part of this is "revolutionary".
- Findecanor 10mo agoI have seen a new wedge computer in the news every now and then since the '90s, and not just new retro computers with new innards.
- rbanffy 10mo agoThe TRS-80 model I came out in 1977. It took HP just 49 years to launch a competitor.
- mindcrime 10mo agoOK, great. I like what I've heard about the Ryzen AI chips so far. But can I install Linux on this thing?
- tonyplee 10mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIzlGwEAO0&t=300s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIzlGwEAO0&t=300s This seems provide instruction on that. There are a lot of other yt videos on this topic.
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- daveguy 10mo agoOf course you can. It's an amd64 processor with a different name and a coprocessor. Linux doesn't have any problem installing on UEFI, so unless they did something weird, it shouldn't be a problem. Apparently linux runs pretty well on the AMD AI cpus (benchmarks of lunar lake primarily vs Ryzen AI 300 in OP): https://www.phoronix.com/review/core-ultra-7-lunar-lake-linux https://www.phoronix.com/review/core-ultra-7-lunar-lake-linu... But concept-wise I think it's a dud. A laptop without a monitor. So you either carry the laptop as two pieces (some good portable monitors around) or you are limited to only plugging it in where there's a monitor available. Also, it seems they couldn't be bothered to spring for mechanical switches when the entire product is focused around a keyboard. Sheesh.
- mindcrime 10mo agoso unless they did something weird That is the concern! Hopefully not, but with HP who ever really knows?
- bsoles 10mo agoRaspberry Pi 400 did it (TM) , minus the AI PC crap.
- tonymet 10mo agolike any PC you can run what you like. even on Windows it's easy to turn off AI stuff (I've done that for years , back when it was spammy Cortana and MSN content). You want more designs like this, which will encourage more Raspberry PI and other competitors to jump in. It's a win win for everyone
- ArtemZ 10mo agoI don't think I am ever buying another HP product. I've had enough with their office PCs and printers
- PurpleRamen 10mo agoSo it's a laptop, without display. Can I attach my own keyboard? From the pictures, I get the impression the keyboard sucks.
- jayd16 10mo agoIt's got USB so I'm sure you could.
- protimewaster 10mo ago> From the pictures, I get the impression the keyboard sucks. That was my initial thought. They made the keyboard a big part of the product, and that is the keyboard they came up with? It's like advertising a fancy new type of AIO and then putting a crummy 50% sRGB gamut 480p TN panel in it.
- delecti 10mo agoI don't want one, but all the skepticism is weird. I can see it making sense for hot desking office workers, or other similar. When I worked from home at my last job, I kept the laptop closed and out of sight and just connected my own monitors. Most people aren't picky about keyboards, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable product for plenty of people.
- Gracana 10mo agoIt would work, but is it any better than existing options like a little computer on the desk, a computer on the back of the monitor, or an AIO PC? I dunno. I like it. I think it's neat. I won't buy one, but I look forward to the Cathode Ray Dude episode about it 25 years from now.
- protimewaster 10mo ago> It would work, but is it any better than existing options like a little computer on the desk, a computer on the back of the monitor, or an AIO PC? I don't see how it would be better than just a mini PC. Presumably most people will be using a mouse in addition to the keyboard, so they've already got to plug in at least the mouse and the display. It seems like the added flexibility of being able to pick your own keyboard, and carry something smaller, would make a mini PC win at the cost of having one extra connector to plug in.
- delecti 10mo agoWell I did mention hot desking, and the options you mention definitely aren't as convenient for that. They also can't match some of the benefits this thing brings by including a battery.
- mrheosuper 10mo agoWell, it looks "cleaner" and more "professional" than hanging a lump behind your monitor. It may not benifit to all people, but it is not worse than exist option, so, why not.
- tonymet 10mo agoi've traveled with a Raspi + bt keyboard for this reason. Lighter, and far more durable. I don't mind stowing it in checked duffel bag. I would never put my laptop in checked luggage, certainly not a duffel
- rbanffy 10mo agoFinally HP launched a competitor to the VIC 20.
- 827a 10mo agoThe HP EliteBoard runs a "AMD Ryzen AI 300 series processor", "50 TOPS NPU", with "800M series graphics" and up to 64gb of memory. As far as I've seen, they have not publicly stated which specific processor its running. This combination means: Its not a Ryzen AI Max 300 processor, because these run the 8060S integrated graphics. (also, they'd have probably stated Max if it was). Moving down-range: the HX375 has 55 NPU TOPS, so its more likely that the best chip it could run is the HX370 (12c/24t); but it could be as low as the 330 (4c8t). The HX370 posts geekbench 6 scores of single core ~2917 multi-core ~15249. For comparison: the Apple M5, found in the iPad Pro and upcoming Mac Mini, scores single core ~4291 multi-core ~17469. Overall, I think this is cool and evocative, and depending on the chip they use the performance could be pretty solid. However, I don't like the idea of a desktop PC being so integrated with a peripheral, such as a keyboard or monitor.
- n8m8 10mo agoInteresting idea, seems like an adventurous v1 idea. Feels like it would be hard to sell this to enthusiasts who want a nicer keyboard, and hard to sell to the average consumer who’d still rather have a laptop or iPad.
- rendaw 10mo agoI like that it's washable! I wish all peripherals had some thought for cleaning them. I'm embarrassed to have people over because of my mouse and keyboard. My last mouse fell apart (coating started to peel) when I cleaned it and other parts were just unreachable.
- stanfordkid 10mo agoCool to see some innovation from HP, this is actually unique and fills a niche of going from desk to desk (home->office), without needing mobile. Much better than ripping off the latest aluminum MacBook designs.
- clnhlzmn 10mo agoIf this is better than a laptop for mobile work why include the keyboard? Why not just make it a tiny box with a single USB C connector to plug into the dock on your home and work desks? Since you already must have monitors and mice at those locations (or bring them with you) I'm failing to see the point of including the keyboard in this package (except of course to be able to advertise the "copilot key")
- tonymet 10mo agoThe battery + thermals give you either a large cube (like a Beelink++) or cigarette carton. It's wise to go with a cigarette carton and include a keyboard. Especially since remote work took off, offices are full of vacant workstations. Why drag a small monitor around when you can hook into a 32'' monitor at the office?
- mrheosuper 10mo agoThey can design a Motherboard that can be used in both laptop and this machine, so no need for double NRE.
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- poulpy123 10mo agoAn amislop 500 or an atari 520 STslop ?
- jiehong 10mo agoFirst thing I had in mind was "Oh, like an Atari ST"!
- calin2k 10mo agoI want it with a TKL layout, low travel mechanical switches
- baranul 10mo agoThink it's a good idea, whose time is way past due. Basically, a laptop without a monitor. However, think they need a version with a touchpad, so you don't need to plug in a mouse. Then it's much more portable.
- musicale 10mo agoHN, I find your lack of faith disturbing. HP (ink.) has followed Raspberry Pi with a riff on the form factor of the ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64, and other keyboard computer designs of the 1970s and 1980s. But with a (possibly) better keyboard and 1000x (or more) the computing power of a comparable Sinclair system. It's like a disaggregated laptop that you can plug any USB screen into (or go old-school and plug it into a TV with appropriate cable or adapter.) This is a beautiful thing that should be encouraged. And I'm sure you can run Linux on it (or maybe DOS - I think some HP "no OS" systems ship with FreeDOS) and boot directly into a C64 or Spectrum emulator (or into Python, BASIC, or whatever environment you prefer.)