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There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQUoM4a1P3VwXiu ht
by eleventen 9mo ago
There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQUoM4a1P3VwXiu https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU...
I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front.
They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turning right to avoid hitting any of them. She was shot and killed for it.
- zingababba 9mo agoHas anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
- Tadpole9181 9mo agoICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not debating that. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen vid from the lead-up so I can see for myself.
- willmarch 9mo agoIt doesn’t matter.
- zingababba 9mo agoWhat doesn't? My desire? How can you say my desire does not matter?
- willmarch 9mo agoIt doesn't matter to the current conversation and it feels more like you're trying to create a distraction from the core of the issue being discussed than inquiring in good faith. If you truly desire such information so adamantly, you can easily do a search for it elsewhere without derailing the discussion here.
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- kcplate 9mo agoAre you really suggesting that an armed federal law enforcement officer doesn’t have the ability to detain someone that they suspect is interfering with one of their operations? You might want to cite some case law here supporting that assertion. They may not be able to charge someone with a traffic infraction but can they detain someone? Absolutely.
- eleventen 9mo agoShe wasn't blocking at all. Please watch the video. In one of them a car passes in front of her without trouble. It's a 2 lane 1 way road, she's only in 1 lane.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not debating that's the case in the vids we have but my question stands.
- jacquesm 9mo agoIt does not. Even if what you speculated was true that is not a capital crime, and that 'officer' (I use the word lightly) is not judge, jury and executioner.
- zingababba 9mo agoI'm not speculating anything which is why I was asking rofl. You online agitators are a funny bunch.
- baubino 9mo agoEven if she had been illegally blockading traffic for hours, that infraction is not legally punishable by execution.
- mothballed 9mo agoIt's de facto legal if you'll get away with it. Lon Horiuchi executed (sniped from a distance) an innocent woman holding a child at Ruby Ridge over what was ultimately a missed court date for a crime her husband was acquitted of. He was then promoted and went on to take part in Waco. When he was prosecuted, the feds played jurisdiction games fucking with the case until the case was so cold it was difficult to prosecute. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[11] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[6] The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[6] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges, because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed.
- croon 9mo agoIllegal but unenforced is still illegal.
- mothballed 9mo agode jure illegal but unenforced is de facto legal. de jure legal but enforced is de facto illegal.
- croon 9mo agoWhich is why de facto legality is very low value discussion fodder in an environment of rampant unenforcement of laws.
- silexia 9mo agoFalse narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.
- lamontcg 9mo ago> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.
- silexia 9mo ago[flagged]
- jadamson 9mo ago> Can you see which way a vehicles wheels are pointed when you are standing right in front of it? You're moving the goalposts. You said she tried to murder him, she clearly did not. What the officer perceived is another matter.
- silexia 9mo ago[flagged]
- _DeadFred_ 9mo agoThe officers were shouting at her to 'move move move'.
- mindslight 9mo ago[flagged]
- water-data-dude 9mo agoOne thing that I, and many others, have issue with is the fact that the agents are masked, which makes it hard to hold specific actors accountable. With the way they've been deploying facial recognition against citizens, I feel like using it against ICE agents would just be sousveillance. Especially with the second video, it seems like there should be enough footage of the guy's face to figure it out. Ideally her relatives could then SUE, but qualified immunity is some powerful bullshit. At the very least, maybe we could track bad actors. Does the guy regularly use unnecessary force? The counter argument is "if you DOX people, especially unpopular people, they'll be subject to death threats, possible violence, etc. and you'll be partially responsible", but man, it's obvious that the agency itself isn't holding its people accountable. I'd want to know if he was in my city, still performing ICE activities.
- i_cannot_hack 9mo ago> Ideally her relatives could then SUE Ideally a lawsuit? The only sane outcome of this in a civilized society is that the perpetrator stands trial for murder. If that does not happen the already slim distinction between US law enforcement and a paramilitary execution squad loyal to the president will have dissappeared entirely.
- water-data-dude 9mo agoOh yeah, absolutely! I should have said that instead, but I'm so pessimistic about the courts charging LEOs with crimes that I kinda just skipped that option by default
- tharmas 9mo agoWho can bring charges in this instance? Even if there is a perceived slim chance of success I still think charges should be brought forward. At the very least it might make some of these psychopaths hesitate to do the same. Maybe. And while they are at it maybe an investigation that produces names on who ordered these guys to act so brazen. If you cant nail the guy who did this go after those who are above in rank. Maybe there's a "paper trail" on giving orders to do such thing? People have to fight back or this lady definitely wont be the last.
- xphos 9mo agoHoly shit why didn't they play the middle video they legit murdered that girl and when they saw what happend they ran away. The gull, they are legit law enforcement running away from the problem they just created every dude back off instead of trying to help that lady after what happened. Edit: Context here because they are literally doing a pincer move on this lady's car all wearing masks and with at least 1 gun drawn. All issuing different commends backup, get out, this is way hiring amateurs off the street to play cop is a bad idea. Trained people don't esclate this way Edit2: She definite hits the cop before he shots but where is that 5'th video of the lady right up in the pincer cop's face. She's video taping him
- HaZeust 9mo agoIn regards to edit 2, she does not hit the cop. You can see him literally wait until she's out of reverse while hovering his hand on his sidearm, putting himself in the front of the car - so that ANY movement from her after leaving reverse would result in shooting her.
- xphos 9mo agoWatch the distant video she bumps him he fires. I'd argue his gun seems drawn before he's hit which would make me panic and gas it. Regardless though these thugs just shouldn't have been there, ultimately that would be saving lives.
- HaZeust 9mo agoWhy would I watch the obfuscated view? Watch it up close and on the side closest to the so-called "hit" cop - as you say (and silently edited out to "bump"): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQUoM4a1P3VwXiu https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... Watch the one titled "LEFT-full-duration". Watch it in slow motion. Everything in my GP is correct: 1.) The lady reversed to make room to drive away AFTER conflicting orders to "get out of there" and to "get out of the car"; 2.) An ICE agent got in front of her car mid-reverse and hovered for his sidearm; 3.) The lady gets out of reverse and turns her wheels to face to the right, the ICE agent is now middle-left of her car, and commits to drawing his weapon; 4.) Lady commits to her right turn and didn't hit the cop, as evidenced by the fact that he was literally out of the way, he didn't lose footing, and most of all - he was able to shoot the driver at point-black from the driver's side window. If the car was aimed for him - let alone if he was hit, it would have been physically impossible for ANY of those to occur on their own AND ESPECIALLY in combination - most of all, the point-blank shot from the driver's side window. The agent who fired NEEDS to be tried for murder, simple as.
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