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90g of protein, what is recommended for me, is like 4 hamburgers or a 16oz steak per day ...

tejohnso 9mo ago
Doesn't make sense to me that a 400lb obese person would need to consume the same amount of protein as a 400lb lean muscle bodybuilder. All of the protein recommendations I've seen were for lean mass. You don't feed fat.
- deinonychus 9mo ago
  > Doesn't make sense to me that a 400lb obese person would need to consume the same amount of protein as a 400lb lean muscle bodybuilder. yeah both of those people are extreme cases that would break this very crude formula
- SoftTalker 9mo ago
  Correct, and the guideline on the "realfood.gov" site doesn't say it but all the protein g/kg body weight I've seen (mostly relative to weight training or building muscle) are in terms of kg of lean body mass, not total body weight.
- omgJustTest 9mo ago
  I am not 400lbs... I don't know if you are implying that... if so check your math: 1.2g/kg * 90kg (~200lbs-lean) = 108g of protein. each person, on average, in the US would be eating one 16oz steak or 3-5 hamburgers every day.
  - stubish 9mo ago
    A 16oz steak is over 50% protein, or over double your entire daily target. Hamburger count could be right, if you are eating McDonald's burgers or similar. But then you are not following the guidelines, with far too much processed grains and added sugars.
    - omgJustTest 9mo ago
      Your beef is with wiki or facts : "high scores: braised eye-of-round steak 40.62; broiled t-bone steak (porterhouse) 32.11; grilled lean steak 31.0 " numbers are grams per hundred grams or wiki also reports 25% as the average, thus your factor of 2 error in weight (400 instead of 200). Sincerely, You-cannot-read-or-convert-units-or-gather-info-correctly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_by_protein_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_by_protein_conte...
      - omgJustTest 9mo ago
        For some more perspective: Cranberry's & nut mix - 34g (total) have 8g of protein 1 cup of milk - roughly 8g of protein This is a pretty light breakfast of 16g of protein. How about a 'big, bold breakfast': 2 eggs - 12 g of protein 4 bacon strips - 12 g of protein 1 cup of hash browns - 3 g of protein (other carbs pancakes etc going to have < 1g of protein) So in the 'big, bold breakfast' => 27 g of proteins, I would be 3g behind my daily, average protein intake for the morning. 2 hamburgers for lunch, that's 30g of protein, keeping me close to my daily, average protein intake for lunch. 8 oz steak for dinner, thats 56g of protein. In total: 27+30+56 = 112g of protein, just 4 g over needed daily, average intake of protein. Resisting the sarcasm, this is not reasonable. [1] Perkins https://perkinsmenus.com/hearty-mans-combo/#:~:text=Two%20eggs%2C%20smoked%20sausage%2C%20bacon,of%20America's%20favorite%20breakfast%20places. https://perkinsmenus.com/hearty-mans-combo/#:~:text=Two%20eg...
- maerF0x0 9mo ago
  All these things are actually rules of thumb that aim to be easy, and less focused on accurate. A reasonably close rule of thumb can actually be 1g of protein per cm of height. Also not accurately represented is that your body absorbs less protein per gram consumed the older you get. (I couldnt find a source with an actual ratio, just recommendations for _more_ as you get older). When listening to folks like Layne Norton, they have said that surprisingly many people who simply increase their protein inadvertently begin to lose weight due to greater satiety per net calorie. (remember, roughly 20% of protein calories are lost in digesting/absorbing/converting the protein)
deinonychus 9mo ago
do you think that's a lot or a little? does that sound realistic or unrealistic?
Aurornis 9mo ago
Nobody should be getting all of their protein from meat, though. Even a cup of cooked rice or a slice of bread has several grams of protein.
brainwad 9mo ago
That's not really a lot of protein on a low carb diet like they are suggesting.
blks 9mo ago
If you don’t forget to count proteins from all the grains and other products, then you may realise you don’t need that much meat (or any meat at all).
tomjakubowski 9mo ago
People, even meat-eaters, tend to get much of their protein intake from the long tail of non-meat foods they consume. Lots of foods (especially grains and legumes) have a little bit of protein, and that adds up.
avazhi 9mo ago
Nobody said you have to get all your protein from meat…

Doesn't make sense to me that a 400lb obese person would need to consume the same amount of protein as a 400lb lean muscle bodybuilder. All of the protein recommendations I've seen were for lean mass. You don't feed fat.

deinonychus 9mo ago
> Doesn't make sense to me that a 400lb obese person would need to consume the same amount of protein as a 400lb lean muscle bodybuilder. yeah both of those people are extreme cases that would break this very crude formula
SoftTalker 9mo ago
Correct, and the guideline on the "realfood.gov" site doesn't say it but all the protein g/kg body weight I've seen (mostly relative to weight training or building muscle) are in terms of kg of lean body mass, not total body weight.
omgJustTest 9mo ago
I am not 400lbs... I don't know if you are implying that... if so check your math: 1.2g/kg * 90kg (~200lbs-lean) = 108g of protein. each person, on average, in the US would be eating one 16oz steak or 3-5 hamburgers every day.
- stubish 9mo ago
  A 16oz steak is over 50% protein, or over double your entire daily target. Hamburger count could be right, if you are eating McDonald's burgers or similar. But then you are not following the guidelines, with far too much processed grains and added sugars.
  - omgJustTest 9mo ago
    Your beef is with wiki or facts : "high scores: braised eye-of-round steak 40.62; broiled t-bone steak (porterhouse) 32.11; grilled lean steak 31.0 " numbers are grams per hundred grams or wiki also reports 25% as the average, thus your factor of 2 error in weight (400 instead of 200). Sincerely, You-cannot-read-or-convert-units-or-gather-info-correctly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_by_protein_content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_by_protein_conte...
    - omgJustTest 9mo ago
      For some more perspective: Cranberry's & nut mix - 34g (total) have 8g of protein 1 cup of milk - roughly 8g of protein This is a pretty light breakfast of 16g of protein. How about a 'big, bold breakfast': 2 eggs - 12 g of protein 4 bacon strips - 12 g of protein 1 cup of hash browns - 3 g of protein (other carbs pancakes etc going to have < 1g of protein) So in the 'big, bold breakfast' => 27 g of proteins, I would be 3g behind my daily, average protein intake for the morning. 2 hamburgers for lunch, that's 30g of protein, keeping me close to my daily, average protein intake for lunch. 8 oz steak for dinner, thats 56g of protein. In total: 27+30+56 = 112g of protein, just 4 g over needed daily, average intake of protein. Resisting the sarcasm, this is not reasonable. [1] Perkins https://perkinsmenus.com/hearty-mans-combo/#:~:text=Two%20eggs%2C%20smoked%20sausage%2C%20bacon,of%20America's%20favorite%20breakfast%20places. https://perkinsmenus.com/hearty-mans-combo/#:~:text=Two%20eg...
maerF0x0 9mo ago
All these things are actually rules of thumb that aim to be easy, and less focused on accurate. A reasonably close rule of thumb can actually be 1g of protein per cm of height. Also not accurately represented is that your body absorbs less protein per gram consumed the older you get. (I couldnt find a source with an actual ratio, just recommendations for _more_ as you get older). When listening to folks like Layne Norton, they have said that surprisingly many people who simply increase their protein inadvertently begin to lose weight due to greater satiety per net calorie. (remember, roughly 20% of protein calories are lost in digesting/absorbing/converting the protein)

deinonychus 9mo ago

do you think that's a lot or a little? does that sound realistic or unrealistic?

Aurornis 9mo ago

Nobody should be getting all of their protein from meat, though. Even a cup of cooked rice or a slice of bread has several grams of protein.

brainwad 9mo ago

That's not really a lot of protein on a low carb diet like they are suggesting.

blks 9mo ago

If you don’t forget to count proteins from all the grains and other products, then you may realise you don’t need that much meat (or any meat at all).

tomjakubowski 9mo ago

People, even meat-eaters, tend to get much of their protein intake from the long tail of non-meat foods they consume. Lots of foods (especially grains and legumes) have a little bit of protein, and that adds up.

avazhi 9mo ago

Nobody said you have to get all your protein from meat…