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I think it’s beyond undeniable at this point that America has slid definitively into fascism. The parallels with 1930’s Germany are just too obvious to deny.

fzeroracer 10mo ago
The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.
- therobots927 10mo ago
  Well that’s been the republican strategy for decades now. They only succeed by lying. The good news is that the country is still split pretty evenly 50/50. I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. Time will tell how this all shakes out but I’m mentally preparing myself for the worst case scenario.
  - pantalaimon 10mo ago
    > I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. There sure was opposition to them (while it was still possible), that sure changed after they had enough power to get you locked up and killed for trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
  - Hikikomori 10mo ago
    Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news. Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assassination attempts.
    - DicIfTEx 10mo ago
      > They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Speaking of which: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s...
      - pxc 10mo ago
        The victim of the shooting today was a woman married to a woman, as well.
    - silexia 10mo ago
      [flagged]
      - teolandon 10mo ago
        It's a 25 point policy, and half of it is not exactly the same as Democratic Socialists in the US.
      - ModernMech 10mo ago
        Democratic Rep. Melissa Hortman was assassinated 7 months ago so you're not even close to right about that.
      - nullocator 10mo ago
        > And all of the political assassinations have been against Republicans in the last two years No. Melissa Hortman. Also egregious to state this without mentioning how many of the assassins were also Republicans.
  - pxc 10mo ago
    > I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. They definitely did. > I don’t know German history very well It's worth revisiting. _The Nazi Seizure of Power_ by William Sherman Allen is available in a variety of formats and may be an accessible starting point for this. It does directly contain examples of resistance and opposition to Nazis, before, during, and after their seizure of power (albeit in just one town that the book focuses on).
  - nebula8804 10mo ago
    https://youtu.be/1Wf-Y2_I91A?t=6064 https://youtu.be/1Wf-Y2_I91A?t=6064
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    Surprise then for you: there were fewer Nazi's in Germany in both an absolute and a relative sense than there are Republican voters / MAGA voters in the United States right now.
- DustinEchoes 10mo ago
  They’re trying to claim that she attempted to “run them down” because she clips one of the ICE agents as she drives away.
  - neogodless 10mo ago
    A trained police officer (following procedure) would have a damned good reason before drawing a weapon (let alone firing.) Approaching someone in a car with a mask on and a gun out is not a good reason to shoot at them. That would terrify just about any citizen, and their reaction to flee would be expected.
    - _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
      They did not follow any training in this incident https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852#rcrd95863 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...
- Tadpole9181 10mo ago
  I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country? EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi... > A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is killed by a moderator or by the software. They will only be shown to users who have showdead enabled in their profile. A submission can simultaneously be [flagged] and [dead].
  - Jtsummers 10mo ago
    > the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment No, it doesn't mean that. [flagged] is by users, not mods. [flagged][dead] means enough users have flagged it to kill it. [dead] alone is the result of moderator action (manual or automatic).
    - Tadpole9181 10mo ago
      Thanks! That old thing must be outdated.
  - hairofadog 10mo ago
    I saw your comment, vouched for the comment you're referring to, and it reappeared. I don't have a full understanding of how vouching works; it could be that I was one of several, or that it was only coincidental that it reappeared just after I vouched for it.
    - therobots927 10mo ago
      Thanks for bringing my comment back online.
  - anigbrowl 10mo ago
    Individual comments are not always manually deleted; some users are shadowbanned and anything they post is automatically deleted.
- gorgoiler 10mo ago
  I completely agree. It’s frightening that a government official (Noem) is already pushing a one-sided, matter-of-fact narrative so soon after such an obviously controversial incident. That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader. What’s frightening is they appear to be getting away with it.
  - cogman10 10mo ago
    > That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader. I disagree. This is the action of a competent propagandist. Getting a narrative out as fast as possible before facts are known very often works. This isn't the only shooting by ICE and if you look at the press releases for all those shootings it's exactly the same thing, "the protestor was violently trying to ram the ICE agents who bravely used self defense to shoot at the vehicle". It has worked up until this shooting, and I imagine the reason it's not working as well here is there's too much video evidence to the contrary.
sleight42 10mo ago
It's the Fourth Reich. Venezuela has been invaded. Meanwhile Trump is threatening several other nations with similar. He has demonstrated that he will act on seemingly unhinged threats. He seems intent on taking over the Western hemisphere by invasion and coercion.

fzeroracer 10mo ago

The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.

therobots927 10mo ago
Well that’s been the republican strategy for decades now. They only succeed by lying. The good news is that the country is still split pretty evenly 50/50. I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. Time will tell how this all shakes out but I’m mentally preparing myself for the worst case scenario.
- pantalaimon 10mo ago
  > I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. There sure was opposition to them (while it was still possible), that sure changed after they had enough power to get you locked up and killed for trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
- Hikikomori 10mo ago
  Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news. Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assassination attempts.
  - DicIfTEx 10mo ago
    > They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Speaking of which: https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s...
    - pxc 10mo ago
      The victim of the shooting today was a woman married to a woman, as well.
  - silexia 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    - teolandon 10mo ago
      It's a 25 point policy, and half of it is not exactly the same as Democratic Socialists in the US.
    - ModernMech 10mo ago
      Democratic Rep. Melissa Hortman was assassinated 7 months ago so you're not even close to right about that.
    - nullocator 10mo ago
      > And all of the political assassinations have been against Republicans in the last two years No. Melissa Hortman. Also egregious to state this without mentioning how many of the assassins were also Republicans.
- pxc 10mo ago
  > I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. They definitely did. > I don’t know German history very well It's worth revisiting. _The Nazi Seizure of Power_ by William Sherman Allen is available in a variety of formats and may be an accessible starting point for this. It does directly contain examples of resistance and opposition to Nazis, before, during, and after their seizure of power (albeit in just one town that the book focuses on).
- nebula8804 10mo ago
  https://youtu.be/1Wf-Y2_I91A?t=6064 https://youtu.be/1Wf-Y2_I91A?t=6064
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  Surprise then for you: there were fewer Nazi's in Germany in both an absolute and a relative sense than there are Republican voters / MAGA voters in the United States right now.
DustinEchoes 10mo ago
They’re trying to claim that she attempted to “run them down” because she clips one of the ICE agents as she drives away.
- neogodless 10mo ago
  A trained police officer (following procedure) would have a damned good reason before drawing a weapon (let alone firing.) Approaching someone in a car with a mask on and a gun out is not a good reason to shoot at them. That would terrify just about any citizen, and their reaction to flee would be expected.
  - _DeadFred_ 10mo ago
    They did not follow any training in this incident https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852#rcrd95863 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...
Tadpole9181 10mo ago
I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country? EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggingvouching https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi... > A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is killed by a moderator or by the software. They will only be shown to users who have showdead enabled in their profile. A submission can simultaneously be [flagged] and [dead].
- Jtsummers 10mo ago
  > the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment No, it doesn't mean that. [flagged] is by users, not mods. [flagged][dead] means enough users have flagged it to kill it. [dead] alone is the result of moderator action (manual or automatic).
  - Tadpole9181 10mo ago
    Thanks! That old thing must be outdated.
- hairofadog 10mo ago
  I saw your comment, vouched for the comment you're referring to, and it reappeared. I don't have a full understanding of how vouching works; it could be that I was one of several, or that it was only coincidental that it reappeared just after I vouched for it.
  - therobots927 10mo ago
    Thanks for bringing my comment back online.
- anigbrowl 10mo ago
  Individual comments are not always manually deleted; some users are shadowbanned and anything they post is automatically deleted.
gorgoiler 10mo ago
I completely agree. It’s frightening that a government official (Noem) is already pushing a one-sided, matter-of-fact narrative so soon after such an obviously controversial incident. That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader. What’s frightening is they appear to be getting away with it.
- cogman10 10mo ago
  > That is not the action of a competent, top-level leader. I disagree. This is the action of a competent propagandist. Getting a narrative out as fast as possible before facts are known very often works. This isn't the only shooting by ICE and if you look at the press releases for all those shootings it's exactly the same thing, "the protestor was violently trying to ram the ICE agents who bravely used self defense to shoot at the vehicle". It has worked up until this shooting, and I imagine the reason it's not working as well here is there's too much video evidence to the contrary.

sleight42 10mo ago

It's the Fourth Reich. Venezuela has been invaded. Meanwhile Trump is threatening several other nations with similar. He has demonstrated that he will act on seemingly unhinged threats. He seems intent on taking over the Western hemisphere by invasion and coercion.