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where will brain drain go to? what's the better country for highly educated and desirable workers? especially for americans?

by 93po 9mo ago

notepad0x90 9mo ago
I can only speculate, but many are going back to their home countries. China is also ok-ish from what I hear (at least in Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu and Shenzhen). Native born americans are also trying very hard to move to Canada, UK and EU. But your question is what is a better country for them? A year ago, I would have said none. But I'm sure you're seen the same news that I am where even when immigrate legally, work hard, obey the law,etc.. even having real-ID proof is of no use, they get jailed. the threat of imprisonment alone, just for existing is scary, I'd say just about any other country that won't throw you in prison for existing is better. They're also talking about revoking citizenship of Americans so non-nonchalantly, hardly anyone cares. I don't even if the US is safe right now just for getting your degree at an Ivy-league school. You said "especially for americans" - they're talking about getting rid of H1Bs right now, my comment is about the brain-drain from immigrants. The majority of the time, it isn't to save money, but the talent just isn't there in the US. Even in software-dev, there is a sort of flood of compsci grads right now, but it's only so because so much of these positions are filled with immigrants. Many other fields will have strong demand, and if the supply could be bootstrapped in a few years it isn't a big deal, but while americans get degrees (which isn't happening like before! it's really really bad right now) american companies lose their competitive advantage. Look at the CEOs of Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, they 're the type of people ICE would be eager to throw in prison were it not for their wealth and connections. Go to Arxiv.org to see pre-prints on research papers from various industries, look at the names of who's publishing. You have to understand that the current environment and government in the US is specifically to drive out immigrants. There is a reason ICE has a higher budget than the US marines right now ($50B), they're not at the border arresting illegal migrants, they're hunting legal migrants in american cities. There are many countries where there are little opportunities for work, and population and government are very hostile to migrants (russia for example, or even japan in certain cases),but you will not have to fear being thrown in jail at-random, or constantly fear for your safety, especially for those who have family hear, I can't image what it must be like.
- 93po 9mo ago
  > The majority of the time, it isn't to save money, but the talent just isn't there in the US. this is very clearly demonstrably not true. i posted about this months ago if you want to see my arguments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45425031 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45425031 i'm also not really sure why the budget the marines is relevant here. the DoD has a nearly trillion dollar budget. if we're going to randomly segment out expense centers why not focus it even more narrowly to something arbitrary like how much the military spends on flour for pizzas? for ICE, total effective/enhanced funding for FY2026 is widely reported in the $28–30B from what I can tell. not trying to be a dick but dont want to spend more time wording this more softly

where will brain drain go to? what's the better country for highly educated and desirable workers? especially for americans?

by 93po 9mo ago

where will brain drain go to? what's the better country for highly educated and desirable workers? especially for americans?

notepad0x90 9mo ago

I can only speculate, but many are going back to their home countries. China is also ok-ish from what I hear (at least in Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu and Shenzhen). Native born americans are also trying very hard to move to Canada, UK and EU. But your question is what is a better country for them? A year ago, I would have said none. But I'm sure you're seen the same news that I am where even when immigrate legally, work hard, obey the law,etc.. even having real-ID proof is of no use, they get jailed. the threat of imprisonment alone, just for existing is scary, I'd say just about any other country that won't throw you in prison for existing is better. They're also talking about revoking citizenship of Americans so non-nonchalantly, hardly anyone cares. I don't even if the US is safe right now just for getting your degree at an Ivy-league school. You said "especially for americans" - they're talking about getting rid of H1Bs right now, my comment is about the brain-drain from immigrants. The majority of the time, it isn't to save money, but the talent just isn't there in the US. Even in software-dev, there is a sort of flood of compsci grads right now, but it's only so because so much of these positions are filled with immigrants. Many other fields will have strong demand, and if the supply could be bootstrapped in a few years it isn't a big deal, but while americans get degrees (which isn't happening like before! it's really really bad right now) american companies lose their competitive advantage. Look at the CEOs of Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, they 're the type of people ICE would be eager to throw in prison were it not for their wealth and connections. Go to Arxiv.org to see pre-prints on research papers from various industries, look at the names of who's publishing. You have to understand that the current environment and government in the US is specifically to drive out immigrants. There is a reason ICE has a higher budget than the US marines right now ($50B), they're not at the border arresting illegal migrants, they're hunting legal migrants in american cities. There are many countries where there are little opportunities for work, and population and government are very hostile to migrants (russia for example, or even japan in certain cases),but you will not have to fear being thrown in jail at-random, or constantly fear for your safety, especially for those who have family hear, I can't image what it must be like.

93po 9mo ago
> The majority of the time, it isn't to save money, but the talent just isn't there in the US. this is very clearly demonstrably not true. i posted about this months ago if you want to see my arguments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45425031 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45425031 i'm also not really sure why the budget the marines is relevant here. the DoD has a nearly trillion dollar budget. if we're going to randomly segment out expense centers why not focus it even more narrowly to something arbitrary like how much the military spends on flour for pizzas? for ICE, total effective/enhanced funding for FY2026 is widely reported in the $28–30B from what I can tell. not trying to be a dick but dont want to spend more time wording this more softly