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Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

352 points by fzeroracer 9mo ago

fzeroracer 9mo ago
There's currently video circulating of the incident so be aware on social media. Here's the facts as I currently know: * The woman shot and killed was a bystander, an American citizen * The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist
- MC995 9mo ago
  > The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist Don't try to bend the facts while there's literal video of the confrontation, as you yourself noted. She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle (My speculation: to be arrested) and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle. If the drivers intent was to commit vehicular homicide or not is obviously unknown (and at this point unknowable), it was not unprovoked in any way. Intentionally or not she was accelerating her vehicle toward someone. Regardless of if the reaction of the agent was justified, it was 100% provoked by the driver.
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    She did none of the above. You didn't watch the video. Her tires were turned away from the officer and said officers were to the side of her vehicle, well and clear from any sort of harm.
    - andrewinardeer 9mo ago
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      - Hikikomori 9mo ago
        Why would the officer move in front of a deadly weapon, is he stupid?
        lawlessone 9mo ago
        > is he stupid? Well it's ICE, they haven't gotten the real cop training.
        kyleee 9mo ago
        Cops do that all the time too unfortunately
      - Sparkle-san 9mo ago
        How about the nuance where she initially tried to wave them through while they were in their vehicle and instead of going, they got out and attempted to force her from her vehicle. This is murder of a citizen by the government with no cause.
  - apical_dendrite 9mo ago
    Seems like the car was turning relatively slowly away from the ICE officer. At 00:18 in the video when you can hear the gunshots, he's not in the path of the vehicle. Even if he somehow thought the vehicle was heading towards him, it looks like he could have easily stepped back. If a masked federal law enforcement officer can shoot someone with impunity in a situation that could have easily been avoided, then we are in a very dangerous place.
    - JayNitram 9mo ago
      Not to be grim, it seems like the car suddenly accelerating was actually due to the being shot.
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  - GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
    > She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle by ICE? they have no authority to detain or arrest US citizens.
    - ryandrake 9mo ago
      If nobody is going to enforce limits, then they have the authority to do whatever they want.
      - FireBeyond 9mo ago
        Forget "not enforce limits" their boss has said that they're actively going to ignore court orders.
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  - anigbrowl 9mo ago
    while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle This is false. He started drawing his gun while she was still in reverse (to turn and drive away) and was not 'in front of the vehicle' but approaching the front left of the vehicle. Nor was she 'accelerating the vehicle quickly.' You are simply being untruthful. Frankly, with multiple masked goons pulling weapons approaching, any evasive/defensive maneuvers would have been fully justified.
  - lamontcg 9mo ago
    > She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle She was given conflicting order by different officers. One order to drive on, one order to step out of her vehicle. Which is standard cop practice to just yell conflicting orders out and then wind up killing someone for not complying with one of them. > and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle. Cop was off to the left of her hood, and she had her wheels hard to the right and drove around him. She wasn't aimed at him. He wasn't in danger.
  - fjfaase 9mo ago
    Just before the agents came out of their car another ICE car passed in front of her car. She was waving the agents to pass her. She could not back-up, because there were people standing/walking behind her car. She was not blocking the road, but nevertheless the ICE agents came out of their car to confront her. Context does matter. After the women got shot, the agent who shot lost the scene taking the weapon with him, which is against all regulations. Other ICE agents prevented medical help from a doctor who identified himself as such and the blocked an ambulance, making them complicit with the murder as she might have been saved if she had gotten medical treatment immediately.
  - kahrl 9mo ago
    oooooooofffff. How’s that boot taste? Like plastic maralago face? DELISH.
at4w34y 9mo ago
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therobots927 9mo ago
I think it’s beyond undeniable at this point that America has slid definitively into fascism. The parallels with 1930’s Germany are just too obvious to deny.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.
  - therobots927 9mo ago
    Well that’s been the republican strategy for decades now. They only succeed by lying. The good news is that the country is still split pretty evenly 50/50. I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. Time will tell how this all shakes out but I’m mentally preparing myself for the worst case scenario.
    - pantalaimon 9mo ago
      > I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. There sure was opposition to them (while it was still possible), that sure changed after they had enough power to get you locked up and killed for trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
    - Hikikomori 9mo ago
      Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news. Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assassination attempts.
4d4m 9mo ago
This is chilling
- Hikikomori 9mo ago
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  - belter 9mo ago
    77 million voted for this.
    - goatlover 9mo ago
      I don't think all 77 million voted for ICE agents to murder citizens. There is quite a bit of buyer's remorse now.
      - anigbrowl 9mo ago
        Most of them did. They knew what they were getting after Trumps' first term and voted for more of it.
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    - joquarky 9mo ago
      Including a curiously unprecedented occurrence in all of the swing states.
AlimJaffer 9mo ago
As a Canadian - south of the border terrifies me for what's coming next. Republicans have devolved into a NK style 'dear leader' group that is terrified of crossing Trump. 1930's Germany is here
- swagmoney69 9mo ago
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- therobots927 9mo ago
  Just count yourself lucky you don’t live here. Though I wouldn’t put it past Trump to invade Canada at some point but that will likely only happen if he assumes a dictatorship.
- goatlover 9mo ago
  And there are still Americans defending this. Like they want to live in a dictatorship.
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    Keep in mind that many so-called "Americans" you see online are thousands of miles from the US, and are paid or otherwise encouraged to pretend otherwise.
    - thrance 9mo ago
      A lot of them are just doing this for free, and got got too by the insane propaganda apparatus in service of the GOP, that converted so many Americans into defending straight up murder and pedophilia.
    - jacquesm 9mo ago
      That is probably true but there are also plenty of real, confirmed Americans that are doing the exact same thing.
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mothballed 9mo ago
There was a very similar private security guard case to this a few years ago where the security guard was yelling at someone to leave but then physically blocked their car. When the person moved, the security guard shot them.[] He got roasted in court because he had given conflicting commands, and also because you can't put yourself in jeopardy just so you can shoot someone that's running away (police can but only fleeing felons). Life sentence. This appears to me what happened here. She was committing a misdemeanor, and running away from the misdemeanor. Police explicitly asked her to move her vehicle. After she finally did so they stood in front of her to intentionally put themselves in jeopardy so they would have a reason to "defend themselves." I have a feeling it will be a very long and dicey trial that ends up in a hung jury. Hopefully Minneapolis doesn't experience riots due to this; but it would prove the exception. [] https://www.kptv.com/2023/05/24/private-security-guard-who-shot-man-outside-lowes-portland-gets-life-prison/ https://www.kptv.com/2023/05/24/private-security-guard-who-s...
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- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Life sentences don't mean anything when the matches-throwing toddler will pardon anybody.
  - ZeroGravitas 9mo ago
    And then when they set up a gofundme Billionaires can crowdfund half the poor to kill the other half.
antiochIst 9mo ago
Full news story coverage/flow here: https://yandori.io/news-flow/story/2026-01-07-6507910-federal-law-enforcement-shoots-civilian-in-minneap https://yandori.io/news-flow/story/2026-01-07-6507910-federa...
martythemaniak 9mo ago
Video of the incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q6o4d0/another_angle_of_ice_shooting_woman_in_mn_172025/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q6o4d0/another_angle_...
- andrewinardeer 9mo ago
  YouTube link to Minnesota Reporter channel: https://youtu.be/K9CJY5p0xz4?si=IGIUoEjnepwER_4f https://youtu.be/K9CJY5p0xz4?si=IGIUoEjnepwER_4f
  - emchammer 9mo ago
    This link blocks the video with the messages "Sign in to confirm your age" and "This video may be inappropriate for some users.". Why is this current events video blocked when fictional broadcast television programs regularly dramatize people being shot and killed?
    - nozzlegear 9mo ago
      I watch movies and tv shows where fictional people die all the time, and I don't have a problem with it. But I make it a point not to watch videos of real people or animals dying. The difference (to me) is that I can sleep happily knowing that the actors in the films went home to their families after filming, but the people in real life didn't. It's much more profound to know that a real human lost their life, and I don't want to lessen the gravitas of these situations by watching it as casually as I watch fictional characters die.
    - potsandpans 9mo ago
      Now imagine where we live in a world with digital IDs. "Pull up everyones id that watched the video in the last 24 hours"
      - perihelions 9mo ago
        They (Google) routinely do that with or without ID laws; they have more than enough PII in the common-case. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39796550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39796550 ("Google ordered to identify who watched certain YouTube videos" (380 comments)) (That article does say this kind of "dragnet" search warrant is, in theory, precluded by the US Constitution. One can ask a certain 6-year old child in Minnesota who just their mother to masked constitution-men what that constitution means).
hypeatei 9mo ago
DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism"... unbelievable. Everyone in the administration needs to be put on trial just like the Nazis in Nuremburg. Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. She was a patriot hero for delaying election certification but people resisting ICE goons are domestic terrorists.
- DustinEchoes 9mo ago
  > DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism" I agree, probably not in the way she intended though.
  - mickle00 9mo ago
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terro...
  - hypeatei 9mo ago
    Every accusation is a confession with MAGAts.
- anigbrowl 9mo ago
  Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. That's official government policy now. It's worth taking a few minutes to look at that whole page, it's straight 1984 type revisionism. https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/
  - swagmoney69 9mo ago
    Wow this makes me sick
- SanjayMehta 9mo ago
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locallost 9mo ago
Brownshirts coming out party.
- mieses 9mo ago
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  - goatlover 9mo ago
    People who behave like a paramilitary wing of an authoritarian regime == brownshirts.
    - locallost 9mo ago
      murders an innocent person point blank for no reason So you dislike him because of a difference in opinion?
apical_dendrite 9mo ago
NBC News reports that this was contrary to the officer's training and DHS' own policies. > ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News. > Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said. > ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852/rcrd95863?canonicalCard=true https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...
eleventen 9mo ago
There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQUoM4a1P3VwXiu https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turning right to avoid hitting any of them. She was shot and killed for it.
- zingababba 9mo ago
  Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
  - Tadpole9181 9mo ago
    ICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
    - zingababba 9mo ago
      I'm not debating that. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen vid from the lead-up so I can see for myself.
      - willmarch 9mo ago
        It doesn’t matter.
        zingababba 9mo ago
        What doesn't? My desire? How can you say my desire does not matter?
zug_zug 9mo ago
@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  From my understanding of how HN works, it's because the post has been flagged multiple times (to the point of being flag-killed and revived at least twice) so I believe controversial posts are automatically kept off the front page until a moderator steps in.
- Tadpole9181 9mo ago
  Don't worry, I'm sure the flagged tag will appear any second and kill the thread. The "real" homepage of HN is now /active. The rest is effectively censored to support the techbro worldview. This will not be fixed.
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- mickle00 9mo ago
  agreed. its a shame this atrocity isnt on the front page for awareness
- Hikikomori 9mo ago
  Plenty of people on HN, in ycombinator leadership, tech execs in general, that maybe like one thing they're doing and wants to turn a blind eye to the fascism.
- baubino 9mo ago
  I had to do a search to find this thread. It’s crazy that this isn’t higher up.
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antibull 9mo ago
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daheza 9mo ago
I'm not sure if she was a constitutional observer but saw some comments saying it. Seems like a honorable job to do in todays climate especially if you are looking to take a more active role after this. [1] [1] https://copalmn.org/the-handbook-for-constitutional-observers/ https://copalmn.org/the-handbook-for-constitutional-observer...
mickle00 9mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1q6to5j/huffpost_has_obtained_a_video_of_a_physician/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1q6to5j/... HuffPost has obtained a video of a physician trying to give medical care to the woman shot and killed by ICE agents today, and not being allowed to go near her. The ICE agents claim there are medics on site, but witnesses scream that there are no medics presentExtensively reported
- fjfaase 9mo ago
  That makes those ICE officers complicent to her death, because they had no ground for stopping the physician, who might have saved her.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    They were accomplices long before that.
- perihelions 9mo ago
  The Washington Post quotes that, > "“I’m a physician,” the man protested." > "“I don’t care,” the officer replied," https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2026/01/07/ice-shooting-minneapolis-immigration/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2026/01/07/ice-sh... ( https://archive.is/hP0qR https://archive.is/hP0qR )
baubino 9mo ago
I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.” It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. edit: More about Walz’s statement: > In addition to readying the state’s National Guard, the governor said the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is investigating the incident, where masked agents were recorded approaching a vehicle in the middle of a Minneapolis street and an agent then fired shots into the car after it accelerated. Walz also said he activated the State Emergency Operation Center and members of the State Patrol’s Mobile Response Team. > “From here on, I have a very simple message: We do not need any further help from the federal government,” Walz said. “To Donald Trump and [Homeland Security Secretary] Kristi Noem, you’ve done enough.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnesota-national-guard-ice-shooting/ https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnes...
- mothballed 9mo ago
  He's deploying the national guard because anyone with half a brain understands riots are likely. His reasoning has to not betray that though; even if he legitimately intends to use the NG to block ICE that's not the primary reason why he's sending them out right after the exact conditions are met that caused utter chaos in Minneapolis before. It's just better politically to say "to stop ICE" rather than say "shit's looking like it could pop off and I need to be prepared either way."
  - baubino 9mo ago
    Yeah, I get the riot threat and I’m not suggesting that the National Guard is being called to stop ICE. But instead questioning what it means to have the guard come in to “protect” areas that are likely going to be where people are protesting against ICE. That pits the National Guard in opposition to ICE. Washington, DC just went through a version of this but different because it wasn’t the local National Guard and it wasn’t the local politicians calling them in. In either case, having one law enforcement agency occupying the same space as another without explicit coordination between them (and in this case where one is being called because of the actions of the other) is dicey and strikes me as meaningful and potentially dangerous escalation of the situation.
SanjayMehta 9mo ago
When I first visited the US on business, HR conducted a training where the key point was that if stopped by police when you're in a car, don't get out of the car, they are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. Mid 90s.
- CheBuzz 9mo ago
  Terrible training and horrible advice. Pennsylvania v Mimms requires you to step out of a vehicle upon LEO command. LEO does not need to provide any justification. Also saying they are trained to shoot first and ask questions later is very hyperbolic. Police conduct over 30 million vehicle stops per year without incident.
  - mothballed 9mo ago
    Pennsylvania v Mimms absolutely did determine LEO need justification. It can be done for officer safety or to perform an arrest, it's not just free license to ask anyone who is to be cited to get out of their car. This is even mentioned in the case; it was the "bulge" in the jacket that might be a gun that authorized the police to ask them to exit his vehicle. If a policeman asks you to get out of your car without justification you can bet they're the sort that are more likely to not be disciplined with their use of force either. Police are always quick to cite this case but generally they're ignorant of what it says, they just mindlessly say "pennsylvania v Mimms" everytime they want to be a dick to someone by inconveniencing them or to incite an arrest of someone they think won't want to leave their car. Look up "Civil Rights Lawyer" online and he even uses PA v Mimms against one officer ordering someone out in a case because their order was unlawful.
  - justin66 9mo ago
    I read the above comment as "don't get out of the car when you're pulled over unless you're ordered to," and it's important advice. There was a time when one would get out of the car after being pulled over, walk up and meet the cop and find out what was up. That time is very, very firmly over in the United States. > Police conduct over 30 million vehicle stops per year without incident. Read the room.
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leechy 9mo ago
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- cmurf 9mo ago
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  - willmarch 9mo ago
    It’s fascism.
  - therobots927 9mo ago
    Got it. So it’s not “fascism” until its past the point of no return. Just like how the plane hasn’t crashed until it hits the ground, even if we’re 2000 feet off the ground and we were at 25000 feet 2 minutes ago. Thanks for the brilliant insight.
    - hypeatei 9mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45349597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45349597 Isn't this a delightful Catch-22. If you forewarn about a developing Fascist movement, you're simply taking away the meaning from the word until it's too late and the Fascists take power. You cannot call anything Fascist, for there may be something more Fascist that may need the power of the word. But ah! We couldn't call out their fledgling movement full of dog whistles and double speak so no one was aware enough to stop them as a fledgling movement!
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    - goku12 9mo ago
      Don't be so sure that it hasn't reached that level yet. The Nazis got into power the same way this administration did, and they did the same that this administration is doing right now - demolish the constitutional safeguards and institutions. And if the missing ingredient is the concentration camps or gulags, their civilian population were oblivious about it too, until much later. ICE has arrested so many people whose current whereabouts are not known. Any idea what's happening to them? Also, how many people are dying due to the anti-social policies like cutting down meal plans and medicaid plans?
HaZeust 9mo ago
Another day, another incident to justify the "tree of liberty". ICE has a blank check on power overreach and qualified immunity for a domestic, dominating police state that WE DON'T NEED - and this is how they use it. Their actions are grotesque, and their words are worthless. They don't even honor what the judicial documents say that they claim to "enforce" - they flat-out ignore active asylum statuses, wait outdoors of immigration court hearings and check-ins, deport people to countries that they have a court order not to be deported to, and sometimes just go for citizens anyway - why not? Speaking of "blank check", remember that ICE has an approved budget that's 3x the US Marine Corp, folks. This isn't a game anymore, this isn't playtime.
- koakuma-chan 9mo ago
  > This isn't a game anymore, this isn't playtime. What are you gonna do about it? The same thing is happening in Ukraine, and nobody is doing anything. There are no protests.
  - HaZeust 9mo ago
    >"What are you gonna do about it?" Spare me. I have my non-negotiables for when action is needed. Do you?
    - koakuma-chan 9mo ago
      If you are asking me, it's pretty clear an "action" is already needed. I would never take "action" personally though.
      - HaZeust 9mo ago
        >"If you are asking me, it's pretty clear an "action" is already needed." >"I would never take "action" personally though." That's that for you, then. Like I said, spare me.
      - asacrowflies 9mo ago
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chrledntsurf 9mo ago
If you watch the slow-mo versions of the video people have posted you can see the ICE agent in question actually fired his weapon when his arm was fully extended away from his body still in front of vehicle as he had moved his body out of the impact zone of the front of her car. That's a terrible way to discharge a weapon even if you think you life is in danger. Seems far more likely it was a panic shot out of fear he was still in front of her not realizing he was no longer in danger. Even if she had floored it at that point, and overal she was driving pretty slowly like a panicked mom might do, his arm would have just been struck by the windshield as she passed.
- bakies 9mo ago
  how about the two more bullets he pumped through the side window? more panic shots? stop justifying this guys murder
- kahrl 9mo ago
  Far more likely he is a pissed off good-ol-boy redneck and was enforcing contempt of cop. But you keep living in that delusion you’re so attached to.
metadope 9mo ago
Militia on our streets without discipline or uniforms. That's what caused this tragedy. The administration early on made the decision to allow/require ICE agents to wear whatever tactical gear they had, along with masks, and authorized/required an intentional lack of insignia. The lack of a uniform and insignia is a real problem for ordinary Americans. We're used to subjecting ourselves to authority. We're willing to obey commands, to cooperate, to assist, even, the officers in uniform. We are law-abiding and respectful, even to the lowly rent-a-cops in the mall. That respect and cooperation and obedience absolutely depends on the recognition of the uniform, the badge, the symbol of authority displayed without doubt. Someone in the administration got the bright idea to remove the symbol, the uniform, and decided that everyone should now bow down in respect to ununiformed masked militia roaming our towns in plain pickups and SUVs. Someone thought it would be 'cool' or 'bad-ass'; they still do, I'll bet. But the lack of uniform changes the psychology of enforcement, imho. It places less demand on the discipline of the anonymous tactical-fatigue wearer. Add the mask and you're almost there. Just need jack-boots, and you complete the transformation of officer (blessing) into thug (curse). There is no accountability, no real standard to live up to, when the uniform is gone, the mask is on, and you, as an ostensible agent of federal authority, you are Anonymous. [Yes, I would like to see ICE issue all field agents the Guy Fawkes mask. There's a uniform for you./s] The lack of a uniform creates moments of doubt and uncertainty in a US citizen as well. We are comfortable complying with commands from an officer in uniform. But we're just not used to unpredictible swarms of masked and often angry militia pouring out of dark windowed F150s and barking out conflicting orders, surrounding us, yanking on our door handles, pulling a sidearm and pressing it against the glass of our windshield. This tragic confrontation has to become the last. We cannot continue to tolerate roaming anonymous militia wearing disguises, conducting unpredictable federal enforcement raids on our otherwise peaceful streets, under the cover of anonymity. We need these officers to be a part of our community, to come out from behind their masks, to put on a uniform we can identify and associate with the real positive authority of a well-intentioned federal government. [Yes, prerequisite, I know, we first need a federal government that is well-intentioned.]
- gorgoiler 9mo ago
  That’s a really interesting observation. If ICE field policy allows or even requires employee anonymity then, as a thought experiment, imagining them all in hockey masks helps emphasize everything that’s wrong with such a policy. I can think of even more inflammatory examples of face coverings, of course.
chrledntsurf 9mo ago
The biggest issue with all this is that ICE agents are in fact NOT police officers. As a US citizen you DO NOT have to obey them in the same manner as a police officer and their rights to detain you are limited. Unless they were placing her under arrest she was free to leave and drive on. Most ICE agents lack the same training that your average state police officer would be forced to go through and thus are far more likely to do something stupid.
- thomassmith65 9mo ago
  According to this NPR article, it currently is legal for ICE to detain you if you are visibly ethnic: A federal court agreed, ruling that agents can't rely on factors such as race, speaking Spanish, wearing workman-like clothes, and location [...] to meet the standard of "individualized suspicion." But in September, the Supreme Court paused that previous ruling, saying immigration agents can use those factors as reasonable suspicion to stop someone. (Legal proceedings continue on this case, however.) https://npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5517998/ice-arrest-rules-explained https://npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5517998/ice-arrest-rules-ex...
  - dongkyun 9mo ago
    The Kavanaugh Stop!
  - xracy 9mo ago
    Okay, this should be neither here nor there, but from the pictures of the Victim that I've seen, no one would assume she was an immigrant (even though immigrants are frequently Canadian/European). Like, even under this awful terrible and completely unimaginable ruling (Which should not be the legal standard in the US), there is no way that ICE could be considered to have the power to detain this person.
cindyllm 9mo ago
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goku12 9mo ago
The comment section here is an incredibly disturbing read, as to how many people are trying to justify this on-site extra-judicial execution. Let me start by saying that all this debate itself is meaningless to start with. No police or law and order agency is supposed to execute a civilian under these circumstances in any country. That should instantly be taken as a murder by an official empowered to prevent exactly that. As far as I understand, ICE is not even a law and order agency and has even less authority to do so. The woman was occupying just one lane, which means there is no merit to the claim that she was obstructing them. And then no matter what she did next, the masked agents just walk up to her vehicle and try to pry open her door and pull her out. That is not what the police do. That's what the mafia does. Anybody facing such a harrowing situation is likely to panic and try to get away. A real officer would know that and won't shoot a panicked and unarmed person who has her hands on the wheel. Nothing about the circumstances suggest a regular confrontation with a law and order agency. It's a terror campaign. The people arguing the self-defense claim based on some flaky technicalities are psychopaths who lack any respect for human lives. Whenever I mention Nazism in here to make a serious point, I get downvoted based on some unexplained moral outrage. It's either because 'it's so disturbing' or because people don't like the comparison with the worst that humanity has produced, or because I'm 'cheapening' (trivializing) the Holocaust and insulting its victims! Lame in my opinion, because there is no worse insult to its victims than to just let the horrors repeat! Well, these outraged people can just stay outraged all they want, because I'm going say this in no uncertain terms. The US and HN has a real Nazi problem - at least in ideology, if not outright in spirit. And another Holocaust is not entirely out of the question either, because back in the past too, it wasn't that well known in public even among the German citizens until the allied forces overran the concentration camps. Who knows what is going on in the shadows right now, when so many people are comfortable with justifying murder, racism, invasions and imperialism? You're too pretentious if you think that the horrors of the past can't repeat, because history sets precedents and shifts the Overton window. I know that HN is primarily a technical forum. But I seriously don't care if I lose my entire HN score for this, because what is the point of having any technology if it is to live like slaves under tyranny? This is one matter that well worth saying out loud, no matter how unpopular it is or how disturbing a suggestion it is. Now let's look at the atrocities that ICE has committed so far. Intimidation/terrorizing, destruction of property, attacks on local law enforcement, kidnappings, child abuse, racial discrimination, denial of justice/due process, illegal warrantless arrests and detention, inciting riots, armed attacks on unarmed civilian protestors, attack on media personnel, attack on elected representatives (the last three constituting attack on democracy), human trafficking, torture and murder. It pretty much ticks all the agenda that the Gestapo used to have. Does Nazism sound all that improbable now? Governments around the world should be classifying ICE as a state-funded terrorist organization right now and sanctioning its leaders and members. They should be arrested and tried at Hague or Nuremberg if they step outside the US. I'm deeply disturbed by how fast we forget the fragility and preciousness of human lives. And the worst is that we have historical examples showing us what will happen. And yet, we relentlessly justify their replay unconcerned?
resumenext 9mo ago
This was after the alleged attempted ICE ramming in Oakland last year where shots were fired but thankfully nobody died. I think there was a similar incident in LA. It would be great if there were technology to solve this problem. People perceive cars as deadly weapons and open fire and whether it’s good or not people who think they’re going to get smooshed and have a firearm will tend to use it. I didn’t see the one today but there have been enough of these cases that it really begs for a technological solution, like some sort of kill switch (no pun) that halts a vehicle if a person is in front of it. They’d have to make a law to retrofit older vehicles but it seems like something we could engineer fairly cheaply, and it would prevent at least some of these events. Even cases where the person in front of the car aren’t cops, like the guy who drove through the Christmas parade and killed the little kids, or the nazi kid in Charlottesville. Car rammings are becoming a horrible sort of meme. It’s contagious.
- bigyabai 9mo ago
  > like some sort of kill switch (no pun) that halts a vehicle if a person is in front of it. That is a horrible and dangerous reaction that does not solve the problem whatsoever. You are typing this comment with your heart, not with your brain.
  - resumenext 9mo ago
    We have mandatory seat belts and air bags. A sensor on the hood to insure a car is not being used as a murder weapon seems minimal in comparison. Such a sensor would save many lives including the young lady involved in the incident today. We have strict gun laws, why does it make sense to let any psycho buy a cheap used car and go kill people with it? It’s a glaring inconsistency.
    - HaZeust 9mo ago
      Outside of the pragmatic argument of current-tech limitations for such an implementation, cars should sometimes be a weapon. If all cars were mandated by law to not accelerate when a person is in front of them, doesn't that give carjackers pretty much guaranteed success to confront and forcibly stop their victim before stealing their car, their belongings, or taking their life? Why would I even bother buying a nice car if I know someone can just walk up in front of its front grill and hold me at gunpoint, and my car can't help but force me to stay there?
ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
At what point do U.S. citizens realise that ICE is in fact a terrorist organisation?
- doom2 9mo ago
  Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it. [1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-meets-blue-lives-matter https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-...
  - ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
    As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.
    - ryandrake 9mo ago
      If nobody is enforcing the law, then they have the power to do whatever the administration is allowing them to do, and at this point, that seems to include everything up to and including murder.
      - cogman10 9mo ago
        Theoretically, this is something that a state could enforce. These ICE agents aren't just breaking federal laws.
      - FireBeyond 9mo ago
        Yeah, though who would enforce those laws? At this point you have the head of DHS stating at press conferences that she's directing ICE to disregard federal court rulings.
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ZeroGravitas 9mo ago
Enjoy the outrage while it lasts. Soon Americans being shot in the face by ICE and framed as terrorists will be as common and accepted as the President talking about invading Canada and Greenland, or launching billion dollar shitcoins, talking about his love letters to dictators, insulting soldiers who died in combat, violent riots overturning elections or openly mocking disabled people etc. etc. etc. You'll see people in these comments who worked to normalise all those doing the same again.
- oceansky 9mo ago
  I wanted you to be wrong so much, but that's likely the most probable scenario. Maybe 50 years from now "everyone will always have been against this", but even that's a stretch.
  - croon 9mo ago
    I've already lived through this with Bush, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, and various at the time justifications and later revisions. Most vocal Trump supporters hate Bush and the Iraq war now, but it would interesting to see how consistent their story is on Santa's list/their cosmic audit records.
- tim333 9mo ago
  The things you talk of are either legal such as insulting people, or failed such as riots trying to overturn an election. This is different.
  - mrtksn 9mo ago
    Lots of convicted criminals were pardoned already. People with connection to January 6 United States Capitol attack are all pardoned, some got promoted. There's something going on with Ghislaine Maxwell's situation too. US just abducted the president of a sovereign country and international law no longer means anything too. The president himself is also a convict. He is also implicated with many sexual assaults(allegations at this stage) What exactly makes you think that this time is different? I just saw a clip from Fox, justifying the killing of this woman because she had pronouns on her profile.
perihelions 9mo ago
https://imgur.com/a/vmnLFWv https://imgur.com/a/vmnLFWv The mother's 6-year-old child's stuffed animals overflowing the glovebox. The child has lost both parents and is now an orphan.
- perihelions 9mo ago
  Primary source is: https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally-shoots-driver-through-car-window-in-minneapolis/ https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally... ("Photo by Nicole Neri/Minnesota Reformer") https://web.archive.org/web/20260108053100/https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally-shoots-driver-through-car-window-in-minneapolis/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260108053100/https://minnesota... I've confirmed, with search engine caches, that this is the photo Reddit Trust & Safety intervened to remove from Reddit's front page, at the permalink here, https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q6tclo/removed_by_reddit/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q6tclo/removed_by_re... ("[ Removed by Reddit ]" (1147 comments)) Thankfully, Silicon Valley does not (yet) exert editorial control over newspapers who self-host.
praptak 9mo ago
To me the most horrible thing about this is the reaction of government officials. I'd imagine that in a civilized democratic country it would be something along the lines of "Let's make sure there's a fair investigation". That's not what I'm hearing from US.
- CodingJeebus 9mo ago
  They’re gloating, they love this. They love being able to spit in the face of the people and tell them that they’re absolutely fine with what’s going on and we should prepare for things to get worse.
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nojvek 9mo ago
Can Minnesota make a law that bans ICE from operating in the State? i.e Can states override federal authority? Seems like states should have the right to allow ICE. Police departments are already by state.
- Sam713 9mo ago
  Unfortunately not. Federal law in this circumstance supersedes state authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
  - doom2 9mo ago
    I guess it would be a major step towards civil war, but I wonder if states have the right to protect their residents from unlawful conduct by federal law enforcement. ICE has established a clear pattern of behavior in the last year that should remove any assumption they are acting lawfully (and federal judges have told them as much).
tsoukase 9mo ago
Obviously, the current US government-billionaire mafia openly treats the citizens as immigrants (so they let an immigration authority to act on regular people deep inside the country). They will continue to terrorise and suppress in order to protect their rich privileges. I cannot recall any such situation in a modern developed country.
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mickle00 9mo ago
More fucking shootings in Portland: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2026/01/portland-police-responding-to-report-of-shooting-by-federal-immigration-agent.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2026/01/portland-police-res...
angelfangs 9mo ago
I blame news media, social media, and entertainment for this. You aren't some heroic resistance fighting fascism; you're a citizen not complying with police orders. The real world isn't a Netflix series.
neogodless 9mo ago
https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3va3en22e https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v... And now video made by the person firing the weapon has been released. Make up your own mind.

352 points by fzeroracer 9mo ago

There's currently video circulating of the incident so be aware on social media. Here's the facts as I currently know: * The woman shot and killed was a bystander, an American citizen * The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist

MC995 9mo ago
> The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist Don't try to bend the facts while there's literal video of the confrontation, as you yourself noted. She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle (My speculation: to be arrested) and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle. If the drivers intent was to commit vehicular homicide or not is obviously unknown (and at this point unknowable), it was not unprovoked in any way. Intentionally or not she was accelerating her vehicle toward someone. Regardless of if the reaction of the agent was justified, it was 100% provoked by the driver.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  She did none of the above. You didn't watch the video. Her tires were turned away from the officer and said officers were to the side of her vehicle, well and clear from any sort of harm.
  - andrewinardeer 9mo ago
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    - Hikikomori 9mo ago
      Why would the officer move in front of a deadly weapon, is he stupid?
      - lawlessone 9mo ago
        > is he stupid? Well it's ICE, they haven't gotten the real cop training.
        kyleee 9mo ago
        Cops do that all the time too unfortunately
    - Sparkle-san 9mo ago
      How about the nuance where she initially tried to wave them through while they were in their vehicle and instead of going, they got out and attempted to force her from her vehicle. This is murder of a citizen by the government with no cause.
- apical_dendrite 9mo ago
  Seems like the car was turning relatively slowly away from the ICE officer. At 00:18 in the video when you can hear the gunshots, he's not in the path of the vehicle. Even if he somehow thought the vehicle was heading towards him, it looks like he could have easily stepped back. If a masked federal law enforcement officer can shoot someone with impunity in a situation that could have easily been avoided, then we are in a very dangerous place.
  - JayNitram 9mo ago
    Not to be grim, it seems like the car suddenly accelerating was actually due to the being shot.
- goatlover 9mo ago
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- GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
  > She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle by ICE? they have no authority to detain or arrest US citizens.
  - ryandrake 9mo ago
    If nobody is going to enforce limits, then they have the authority to do whatever they want.
    - FireBeyond 9mo ago
      Forget "not enforce limits" their boss has said that they're actively going to ignore court orders.
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- anigbrowl 9mo ago
  while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle This is false. He started drawing his gun while she was still in reverse (to turn and drive away) and was not 'in front of the vehicle' but approaching the front left of the vehicle. Nor was she 'accelerating the vehicle quickly.' You are simply being untruthful. Frankly, with multiple masked goons pulling weapons approaching, any evasive/defensive maneuvers would have been fully justified.
- lamontcg 9mo ago
  > She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle She was given conflicting order by different officers. One order to drive on, one order to step out of her vehicle. Which is standard cop practice to just yell conflicting orders out and then wind up killing someone for not complying with one of them. > and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle. Cop was off to the left of her hood, and she had her wheels hard to the right and drove around him. She wasn't aimed at him. He wasn't in danger.
- fjfaase 9mo ago
  Just before the agents came out of their car another ICE car passed in front of her car. She was waving the agents to pass her. She could not back-up, because there were people standing/walking behind her car. She was not blocking the road, but nevertheless the ICE agents came out of their car to confront her. Context does matter. After the women got shot, the agent who shot lost the scene taking the weapon with him, which is against all regulations. Other ICE agents prevented medical help from a doctor who identified himself as such and the blocked an ambulance, making them complicit with the murder as she might have been saved if she had gotten medical treatment immediately.
- kahrl 9mo ago
  oooooooofffff. How’s that boot taste? Like plastic maralago face? DELISH.

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therobots927 9mo ago

I think it’s beyond undeniable at this point that America has slid definitively into fascism. The parallels with 1930’s Germany are just too obvious to deny.

fzeroracer 9mo ago
The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.
- therobots927 9mo ago
  Well that’s been the republican strategy for decades now. They only succeed by lying. The good news is that the country is still split pretty evenly 50/50. I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. Time will tell how this all shakes out but I’m mentally preparing myself for the worst case scenario.
  - pantalaimon 9mo ago
    > I don’t know German history very well but I don’t remember hearing that non-Nazis were loudly opposing the Nazis. There sure was opposition to them (while it was still possible), that sure changed after they had enough power to get you locked up and killed for trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbanner_Schwarz-Rot-Gold
  - Hikikomori 9mo ago
    Nazis had street fights with socialists and communists for years. They were the first to be purged together with homosexuals, transvestites, handicapped, etc. Media were largely acting like our current media, woefully ineffective and passive reporting on right wing violence. Hitler called then lugenpresse, now its fake news. Resistance continued after that but not in the open, can be seen in the large number of assassination attempts.

4d4m 9mo ago

This is chilling

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- belter 9mo ago
  77 million voted for this.
  - goatlover 9mo ago
    I don't think all 77 million voted for ICE agents to murder citizens. There is quite a bit of buyer's remorse now.
    - anigbrowl 9mo ago
      Most of them did. They knew what they were getting after Trumps' first term and voted for more of it.
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  - joquarky 9mo ago
    Including a curiously unprecedented occurrence in all of the swing states.

AlimJaffer 9mo ago

As a Canadian - south of the border terrifies me for what's coming next. Republicans have devolved into a NK style 'dear leader' group that is terrified of crossing Trump. 1930's Germany is here

swagmoney69 9mo ago
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therobots927 9mo ago
Just count yourself lucky you don’t live here. Though I wouldn’t put it past Trump to invade Canada at some point but that will likely only happen if he assumes a dictatorship.
goatlover 9mo ago
And there are still Americans defending this. Like they want to live in a dictatorship.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  Keep in mind that many so-called "Americans" you see online are thousands of miles from the US, and are paid or otherwise encouraged to pretend otherwise.
  - thrance 9mo ago
    A lot of them are just doing this for free, and got got too by the insane propaganda apparatus in service of the GOP, that converted so many Americans into defending straight up murder and pedophilia.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    That is probably true but there are also plenty of real, confirmed Americans that are doing the exact same thing.
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mothballed 9mo ago

There was a very similar private security guard case to this a few years ago where the security guard was yelling at someone to leave but then physically blocked their car. When the person moved, the security guard shot them.[] He got roasted in court because he had given conflicting commands, and also because you can't put yourself in jeopardy just so you can shoot someone that's running away (police can but only fleeing felons). Life sentence. This appears to me what happened here. She was committing a misdemeanor, and running away from the misdemeanor. Police explicitly asked her to move her vehicle. After she finally did so they stood in front of her to intentionally put themselves in jeopardy so they would have a reason to "defend themselves." I have a feeling it will be a very long and dicey trial that ends up in a hung jury. Hopefully Minneapolis doesn't experience riots due to this; but it would prove the exception. [] https://www.kptv.com/2023/05/24/private-security-guard-who-shot-man-outside-lowes-portland-gets-life-prison/ https://www.kptv.com/2023/05/24/private-security-guard-who-s...

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jacquesm 9mo ago
Life sentences don't mean anything when the matches-throwing toddler will pardon anybody.
- ZeroGravitas 9mo ago
  And then when they set up a gofundme Billionaires can crowdfund half the poor to kill the other half.

antiochIst 9mo ago

Full news story coverage/flow here: https://yandori.io/news-flow/story/2026-01-07-6507910-federal-law-enforcement-shoots-civilian-in-minneap https://yandori.io/news-flow/story/2026-01-07-6507910-federa...

martythemaniak 9mo ago

Video of the incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q6o4d0/another_angle_of_ice_shooting_woman_in_mn_172025/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q6o4d0/another_angle_...

andrewinardeer 9mo ago
YouTube link to Minnesota Reporter channel: https://youtu.be/K9CJY5p0xz4?si=IGIUoEjnepwER_4f https://youtu.be/K9CJY5p0xz4?si=IGIUoEjnepwER_4f
- emchammer 9mo ago
  This link blocks the video with the messages "Sign in to confirm your age" and "This video may be inappropriate for some users.". Why is this current events video blocked when fictional broadcast television programs regularly dramatize people being shot and killed?
  - nozzlegear 9mo ago
    I watch movies and tv shows where fictional people die all the time, and I don't have a problem with it. But I make it a point not to watch videos of real people or animals dying. The difference (to me) is that I can sleep happily knowing that the actors in the films went home to their families after filming, but the people in real life didn't. It's much more profound to know that a real human lost their life, and I don't want to lessen the gravitas of these situations by watching it as casually as I watch fictional characters die.
  - potsandpans 9mo ago
    Now imagine where we live in a world with digital IDs. "Pull up everyones id that watched the video in the last 24 hours"
    - perihelions 9mo ago
      They (Google) routinely do that with or without ID laws; they have more than enough PII in the common-case. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39796550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39796550 ("Google ordered to identify who watched certain YouTube videos" (380 comments)) (That article does say this kind of "dragnet" search warrant is, in theory, precluded by the US Constitution. One can ask a certain 6-year old child in Minnesota who just their mother to masked constitution-men what that constitution means).

hypeatei 9mo ago

DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism"... unbelievable. Everyone in the administration needs to be put on trial just like the Nazis in Nuremburg. Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. She was a patriot hero for delaying election certification but people resisting ICE goons are domestic terrorists.

DustinEchoes 9mo ago
> DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism" I agree, probably not in the way she intended though.
- mickle00 9mo ago
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terro...
- hypeatei 9mo ago
  Every accusation is a confession with MAGAts.
anigbrowl 9mo ago
Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. That's official government policy now. It's worth taking a few minutes to look at that whole page, it's straight 1984 type revisionism. https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/j6/
- swagmoney69 9mo ago
  Wow this makes me sick
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locallost 9mo ago

Brownshirts coming out party.

mieses 9mo ago
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- goatlover 9mo ago
  People who behave like a paramilitary wing of an authoritarian regime == brownshirts.
  - locallost 9mo ago
    murders an innocent person point blank for no reason So you dislike him because of a difference in opinion?

apical_dendrite 9mo ago

NBC News reports that this was contrary to the officer's training and DHS' own policies. > ICE officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front and instead to approach in a “tactical L” 90-degree angle to prevent injury or cross-fire, a senior Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News. > Officers are also instructed not to shoot at a moving vehicle and only to use force if there is an immediate risk of serious injury or death, the official said. > ICE officers are also instructed that firing at a vehicle will not make it stop moving in the direction of the officer. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice-shooting-live-updates-rcna252852/rcrd95863?canonicalCard=true https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/minnesota-ice...

eleventen 9mo ago

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQUoM4a1P3VwXiu https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turning right to avoid hitting any of them. She was shot and killed for it.

zingababba 9mo ago
Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
- Tadpole9181 9mo ago
  ICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
  - zingababba 9mo ago
    I'm not debating that. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen vid from the lead-up so I can see for myself.
    - willmarch 9mo ago
      It doesn’t matter.
      - zingababba 9mo ago
        What doesn't? My desire? How can you say my desire does not matter?

zug_zug 9mo ago

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

fzeroracer 9mo ago
From my understanding of how HN works, it's because the post has been flagged multiple times (to the point of being flag-killed and revived at least twice) so I believe controversial posts are automatically kept off the front page until a moderator steps in.
Tadpole9181 9mo ago
Don't worry, I'm sure the flagged tag will appear any second and kill the thread. The "real" homepage of HN is now /active. The rest is effectively censored to support the techbro worldview. This will not be fixed.
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mickle00 9mo ago
agreed. its a shame this atrocity isnt on the front page for awareness
Hikikomori 9mo ago
Plenty of people on HN, in ycombinator leadership, tech execs in general, that maybe like one thing they're doing and wants to turn a blind eye to the fascism.
baubino 9mo ago
I had to do a search to find this thread. It’s crazy that this isn’t higher up.
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daheza 9mo ago

I'm not sure if she was a constitutional observer but saw some comments saying it. Seems like a honorable job to do in todays climate especially if you are looking to take a more active role after this. [1] [1] https://copalmn.org/the-handbook-for-constitutional-observers/ https://copalmn.org/the-handbook-for-constitutional-observer...

mickle00 9mo ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1q6to5j/huffpost_has_obtained_a_video_of_a_physician/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/comments/1q6to5j/... HuffPost has obtained a video of a physician trying to give medical care to the woman shot and killed by ICE agents today, and not being allowed to go near her. The ICE agents claim there are medics on site, but witnesses scream that there are no medics presentExtensively reported

fjfaase 9mo ago
That makes those ICE officers complicent to her death, because they had no ground for stopping the physician, who might have saved her.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  They were accomplices long before that.
perihelions 9mo ago
The Washington Post quotes that, > "“I’m a physician,” the man protested." > "“I don’t care,” the officer replied," https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2026/01/07/ice-shooting-minneapolis-immigration/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2026/01/07/ice-sh... ( https://archive.is/hP0qR https://archive.is/hP0qR )

baubino 9mo ago

I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.” It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. edit: More about Walz’s statement: > In addition to readying the state’s National Guard, the governor said the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is investigating the incident, where masked agents were recorded approaching a vehicle in the middle of a Minneapolis street and an agent then fired shots into the car after it accelerated. Walz also said he activated the State Emergency Operation Center and members of the State Patrol’s Mobile Response Team. > “From here on, I have a very simple message: We do not need any further help from the federal government,” Walz said. “To Donald Trump and [Homeland Security Secretary] Kristi Noem, you’ve done enough.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnesota-national-guard-ice-shooting/ https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnes...

mothballed 9mo ago
He's deploying the national guard because anyone with half a brain understands riots are likely. His reasoning has to not betray that though; even if he legitimately intends to use the NG to block ICE that's not the primary reason why he's sending them out right after the exact conditions are met that caused utter chaos in Minneapolis before. It's just better politically to say "to stop ICE" rather than say "shit's looking like it could pop off and I need to be prepared either way."
- baubino 9mo ago
  Yeah, I get the riot threat and I’m not suggesting that the National Guard is being called to stop ICE. But instead questioning what it means to have the guard come in to “protect” areas that are likely going to be where people are protesting against ICE. That pits the National Guard in opposition to ICE. Washington, DC just went through a version of this but different because it wasn’t the local National Guard and it wasn’t the local politicians calling them in. In either case, having one law enforcement agency occupying the same space as another without explicit coordination between them (and in this case where one is being called because of the actions of the other) is dicey and strikes me as meaningful and potentially dangerous escalation of the situation.

SanjayMehta 9mo ago

When I first visited the US on business, HR conducted a training where the key point was that if stopped by police when you're in a car, don't get out of the car, they are trained to shoot first and ask questions later. Mid 90s.

CheBuzz 9mo ago
Terrible training and horrible advice. Pennsylvania v Mimms requires you to step out of a vehicle upon LEO command. LEO does not need to provide any justification. Also saying they are trained to shoot first and ask questions later is very hyperbolic. Police conduct over 30 million vehicle stops per year without incident.
- mothballed 9mo ago
  Pennsylvania v Mimms absolutely did determine LEO need justification. It can be done for officer safety or to perform an arrest, it's not just free license to ask anyone who is to be cited to get out of their car. This is even mentioned in the case; it was the "bulge" in the jacket that might be a gun that authorized the police to ask them to exit his vehicle. If a policeman asks you to get out of your car without justification you can bet they're the sort that are more likely to not be disciplined with their use of force either. Police are always quick to cite this case but generally they're ignorant of what it says, they just mindlessly say "pennsylvania v Mimms" everytime they want to be a dick to someone by inconveniencing them or to incite an arrest of someone they think won't want to leave their car. Look up "Civil Rights Lawyer" online and he even uses PA v Mimms against one officer ordering someone out in a case because their order was unlawful.
- justin66 9mo ago
  I read the above comment as "don't get out of the car when you're pulled over unless you're ordered to," and it's important advice. There was a time when one would get out of the car after being pulled over, walk up and meet the cop and find out what was up. That time is very, very firmly over in the United States. > Police conduct over 30 million vehicle stops per year without incident. Read the room.
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- willmarch 9mo ago
  It’s fascism.
- therobots927 9mo ago
  Got it. So it’s not “fascism” until its past the point of no return. Just like how the plane hasn’t crashed until it hits the ground, even if we’re 2000 feet off the ground and we were at 25000 feet 2 minutes ago. Thanks for the brilliant insight.
  - hypeatei 9mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45349597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45349597 Isn't this a delightful Catch-22. If you forewarn about a developing Fascist movement, you're simply taking away the meaning from the word until it's too late and the Fascists take power. You cannot call anything Fascist, for there may be something more Fascist that may need the power of the word. But ah! We couldn't call out their fledgling movement full of dog whistles and double speak so no one was aware enough to stop them as a fledgling movement!
- lawn 9mo ago
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  - goku12 9mo ago
    Don't be so sure that it hasn't reached that level yet. The Nazis got into power the same way this administration did, and they did the same that this administration is doing right now - demolish the constitutional safeguards and institutions. And if the missing ingredient is the concentration camps or gulags, their civilian population were oblivious about it too, until much later. ICE has arrested so many people whose current whereabouts are not known. Any idea what's happening to them? Also, how many people are dying due to the anti-social policies like cutting down meal plans and medicaid plans?

HaZeust 9mo ago

Another day, another incident to justify the "tree of liberty". ICE has a blank check on power overreach and qualified immunity for a domestic, dominating police state that WE DON'T NEED - and this is how they use it. Their actions are grotesque, and their words are worthless. They don't even honor what the judicial documents say that they claim to "enforce" - they flat-out ignore active asylum statuses, wait outdoors of immigration court hearings and check-ins, deport people to countries that they have a court order not to be deported to, and sometimes just go for citizens anyway - why not? Speaking of "blank check", remember that ICE has an approved budget that's 3x the US Marine Corp, folks. This isn't a game anymore, this isn't playtime.

koakuma-chan 9mo ago
> This isn't a game anymore, this isn't playtime. What are you gonna do about it? The same thing is happening in Ukraine, and nobody is doing anything. There are no protests.
- HaZeust 9mo ago
  >"What are you gonna do about it?" Spare me. I have my non-negotiables for when action is needed. Do you?
  - koakuma-chan 9mo ago
    If you are asking me, it's pretty clear an "action" is already needed. I would never take "action" personally though.
    - HaZeust 9mo ago
      >"If you are asking me, it's pretty clear an "action" is already needed." >"I would never take "action" personally though." That's that for you, then. Like I said, spare me.
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chrledntsurf 9mo ago

If you watch the slow-mo versions of the video people have posted you can see the ICE agent in question actually fired his weapon when his arm was fully extended away from his body still in front of vehicle as he had moved his body out of the impact zone of the front of her car. That's a terrible way to discharge a weapon even if you think you life is in danger. Seems far more likely it was a panic shot out of fear he was still in front of her not realizing he was no longer in danger. Even if she had floored it at that point, and overal she was driving pretty slowly like a panicked mom might do, his arm would have just been struck by the windshield as she passed.

bakies 9mo ago
how about the two more bullets he pumped through the side window? more panic shots? stop justifying this guys murder
kahrl 9mo ago
Far more likely he is a pissed off good-ol-boy redneck and was enforcing contempt of cop. But you keep living in that delusion you’re so attached to.

metadope 9mo ago

Militia on our streets without discipline or uniforms. That's what caused this tragedy. The administration early on made the decision to allow/require ICE agents to wear whatever tactical gear they had, along with masks, and authorized/required an intentional lack of insignia. The lack of a uniform and insignia is a real problem for ordinary Americans. We're used to subjecting ourselves to authority. We're willing to obey commands, to cooperate, to assist, even, the officers in uniform. We are law-abiding and respectful, even to the lowly rent-a-cops in the mall. That respect and cooperation and obedience absolutely depends on the recognition of the uniform, the badge, the symbol of authority displayed without doubt. Someone in the administration got the bright idea to remove the symbol, the uniform, and decided that everyone should now bow down in respect to ununiformed masked militia roaming our towns in plain pickups and SUVs. Someone thought it would be 'cool' or 'bad-ass'; they still do, I'll bet. But the lack of uniform changes the psychology of enforcement, imho. It places less demand on the discipline of the anonymous tactical-fatigue wearer. Add the mask and you're almost there. Just need jack-boots, and you complete the transformation of officer (blessing) into thug (curse). There is no accountability, no real standard to live up to, when the uniform is gone, the mask is on, and you, as an ostensible agent of federal authority, you are Anonymous. [Yes, I would like to see ICE issue all field agents the Guy Fawkes mask. There's a uniform for you./s] The lack of a uniform creates moments of doubt and uncertainty in a US citizen as well. We are comfortable complying with commands from an officer in uniform. But we're just not used to unpredictible swarms of masked and often angry militia pouring out of dark windowed F150s and barking out conflicting orders, surrounding us, yanking on our door handles, pulling a sidearm and pressing it against the glass of our windshield. This tragic confrontation has to become the last. We cannot continue to tolerate roaming anonymous militia wearing disguises, conducting unpredictable federal enforcement raids on our otherwise peaceful streets, under the cover of anonymity. We need these officers to be a part of our community, to come out from behind their masks, to put on a uniform we can identify and associate with the real positive authority of a well-intentioned federal government. [Yes, prerequisite, I know, we first need a federal government that is well-intentioned.]

gorgoiler 9mo ago
That’s a really interesting observation. If ICE field policy allows or even requires employee anonymity then, as a thought experiment, imagining them all in hockey masks helps emphasize everything that’s wrong with such a policy. I can think of even more inflammatory examples of face coverings, of course.

chrledntsurf 9mo ago

The biggest issue with all this is that ICE agents are in fact NOT police officers. As a US citizen you DO NOT have to obey them in the same manner as a police officer and their rights to detain you are limited. Unless they were placing her under arrest she was free to leave and drive on. Most ICE agents lack the same training that your average state police officer would be forced to go through and thus are far more likely to do something stupid.

thomassmith65 9mo ago
According to this NPR article, it currently is legal for ICE to detain you if you are visibly ethnic: A federal court agreed, ruling that agents can't rely on factors such as race, speaking Spanish, wearing workman-like clothes, and location [...] to meet the standard of "individualized suspicion." But in September, the Supreme Court paused that previous ruling, saying immigration agents can use those factors as reasonable suspicion to stop someone. (Legal proceedings continue on this case, however.) https://npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5517998/ice-arrest-rules-explained https://npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5517998/ice-arrest-rules-ex...
- dongkyun 9mo ago
  The Kavanaugh Stop!
- xracy 9mo ago
  Okay, this should be neither here nor there, but from the pictures of the Victim that I've seen, no one would assume she was an immigrant (even though immigrants are frequently Canadian/European). Like, even under this awful terrible and completely unimaginable ruling (Which should not be the legal standard in the US), there is no way that ICE could be considered to have the power to detain this person.

cindyllm 9mo ago

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goku12 9mo ago

The comment section here is an incredibly disturbing read, as to how many people are trying to justify this on-site extra-judicial execution. Let me start by saying that all this debate itself is meaningless to start with. No police or law and order agency is supposed to execute a civilian under these circumstances in any country. That should instantly be taken as a murder by an official empowered to prevent exactly that. As far as I understand, ICE is not even a law and order agency and has even less authority to do so. The woman was occupying just one lane, which means there is no merit to the claim that she was obstructing them. And then no matter what she did next, the masked agents just walk up to her vehicle and try to pry open her door and pull her out. That is not what the police do. That's what the mafia does. Anybody facing such a harrowing situation is likely to panic and try to get away. A real officer would know that and won't shoot a panicked and unarmed person who has her hands on the wheel. Nothing about the circumstances suggest a regular confrontation with a law and order agency. It's a terror campaign. The people arguing the self-defense claim based on some flaky technicalities are psychopaths who lack any respect for human lives. Whenever I mention Nazism in here to make a serious point, I get downvoted based on some unexplained moral outrage. It's either because 'it's so disturbing' or because people don't like the comparison with the worst that humanity has produced, or because I'm 'cheapening' (trivializing) the Holocaust and insulting its victims! Lame in my opinion, because there is no worse insult to its victims than to just let the horrors repeat! Well, these outraged people can just stay outraged all they want, because I'm going say this in no uncertain terms. The US and HN has a real Nazi problem - at least in ideology, if not outright in spirit. And another Holocaust is not entirely out of the question either, because back in the past too, it wasn't that well known in public even among the German citizens until the allied forces overran the concentration camps. Who knows what is going on in the shadows right now, when so many people are comfortable with justifying murder, racism, invasions and imperialism? You're too pretentious if you think that the horrors of the past can't repeat, because history sets precedents and shifts the Overton window. I know that HN is primarily a technical forum. But I seriously don't care if I lose my entire HN score for this, because what is the point of having any technology if it is to live like slaves under tyranny? This is one matter that well worth saying out loud, no matter how unpopular it is or how disturbing a suggestion it is. Now let's look at the atrocities that ICE has committed so far. Intimidation/terrorizing, destruction of property, attacks on local law enforcement, kidnappings, child abuse, racial discrimination, denial of justice/due process, illegal warrantless arrests and detention, inciting riots, armed attacks on unarmed civilian protestors, attack on media personnel, attack on elected representatives (the last three constituting attack on democracy), human trafficking, torture and murder. It pretty much ticks all the agenda that the Gestapo used to have. Does Nazism sound all that improbable now? Governments around the world should be classifying ICE as a state-funded terrorist organization right now and sanctioning its leaders and members. They should be arrested and tried at Hague or Nuremberg if they step outside the US. I'm deeply disturbed by how fast we forget the fragility and preciousness of human lives. And the worst is that we have historical examples showing us what will happen. And yet, we relentlessly justify their replay unconcerned?

resumenext 9mo ago

This was after the alleged attempted ICE ramming in Oakland last year where shots were fired but thankfully nobody died. I think there was a similar incident in LA. It would be great if there were technology to solve this problem. People perceive cars as deadly weapons and open fire and whether it’s good or not people who think they’re going to get smooshed and have a firearm will tend to use it. I didn’t see the one today but there have been enough of these cases that it really begs for a technological solution, like some sort of kill switch (no pun) that halts a vehicle if a person is in front of it. They’d have to make a law to retrofit older vehicles but it seems like something we could engineer fairly cheaply, and it would prevent at least some of these events. Even cases where the person in front of the car aren’t cops, like the guy who drove through the Christmas parade and killed the little kids, or the nazi kid in Charlottesville. Car rammings are becoming a horrible sort of meme. It’s contagious.

bigyabai 9mo ago
> like some sort of kill switch (no pun) that halts a vehicle if a person is in front of it. That is a horrible and dangerous reaction that does not solve the problem whatsoever. You are typing this comment with your heart, not with your brain.
- resumenext 9mo ago
  We have mandatory seat belts and air bags. A sensor on the hood to insure a car is not being used as a murder weapon seems minimal in comparison. Such a sensor would save many lives including the young lady involved in the incident today. We have strict gun laws, why does it make sense to let any psycho buy a cheap used car and go kill people with it? It’s a glaring inconsistency.
  - HaZeust 9mo ago
    Outside of the pragmatic argument of current-tech limitations for such an implementation, cars should sometimes be a weapon. If all cars were mandated by law to not accelerate when a person is in front of them, doesn't that give carjackers pretty much guaranteed success to confront and forcibly stop their victim before stealing their car, their belongings, or taking their life? Why would I even bother buying a nice car if I know someone can just walk up in front of its front grill and hold me at gunpoint, and my car can't help but force me to stay there?

ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago

At what point do U.S. citizens realise that ICE is in fact a terrorist organisation?

doom2 9mo ago
Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it. [1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-meets-blue-lives-matter https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-...
- ndsipa_pomu 9mo ago
  As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.
  - ryandrake 9mo ago
    If nobody is enforcing the law, then they have the power to do whatever the administration is allowing them to do, and at this point, that seems to include everything up to and including murder.
    - cogman10 9mo ago
      Theoretically, this is something that a state could enforce. These ICE agents aren't just breaking federal laws.
    - FireBeyond 9mo ago
      Yeah, though who would enforce those laws? At this point you have the head of DHS stating at press conferences that she's directing ICE to disregard federal court rulings.
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ZeroGravitas 9mo ago

Enjoy the outrage while it lasts. Soon Americans being shot in the face by ICE and framed as terrorists will be as common and accepted as the President talking about invading Canada and Greenland, or launching billion dollar shitcoins, talking about his love letters to dictators, insulting soldiers who died in combat, violent riots overturning elections or openly mocking disabled people etc. etc. etc. You'll see people in these comments who worked to normalise all those doing the same again.

oceansky 9mo ago
I wanted you to be wrong so much, but that's likely the most probable scenario. Maybe 50 years from now "everyone will always have been against this", but even that's a stretch.
- croon 9mo ago
  I've already lived through this with Bush, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, and various at the time justifications and later revisions. Most vocal Trump supporters hate Bush and the Iraq war now, but it would interesting to see how consistent their story is on Santa's list/their cosmic audit records.
tim333 9mo ago
The things you talk of are either legal such as insulting people, or failed such as riots trying to overturn an election. This is different.
- mrtksn 9mo ago
  Lots of convicted criminals were pardoned already. People with connection to January 6 United States Capitol attack are all pardoned, some got promoted. There's something going on with Ghislaine Maxwell's situation too. US just abducted the president of a sovereign country and international law no longer means anything too. The president himself is also a convict. He is also implicated with many sexual assaults(allegations at this stage) What exactly makes you think that this time is different? I just saw a clip from Fox, justifying the killing of this woman because she had pronouns on her profile.

perihelions 9mo ago

https://imgur.com/a/vmnLFWv https://imgur.com/a/vmnLFWv The mother's 6-year-old child's stuffed animals overflowing the glovebox. The child has lost both parents and is now an orphan.

perihelions 9mo ago
Primary source is: https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally-shoots-driver-through-car-window-in-minneapolis/ https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally... ("Photo by Nicole Neri/Minnesota Reformer") https://web.archive.org/web/20260108053100/https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/01/07/ice-officer-fatally-shoots-driver-through-car-window-in-minneapolis/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260108053100/https://minnesota... I've confirmed, with search engine caches, that this is the photo Reddit Trust & Safety intervened to remove from Reddit's front page, at the permalink here, https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q6tclo/removed_by_reddit/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q6tclo/removed_by_re... ("[ Removed by Reddit ]" (1147 comments)) Thankfully, Silicon Valley does not (yet) exert editorial control over newspapers who self-host.

praptak 9mo ago

To me the most horrible thing about this is the reaction of government officials. I'd imagine that in a civilized democratic country it would be something along the lines of "Let's make sure there's a fair investigation". That's not what I'm hearing from US.

CodingJeebus 9mo ago
They’re gloating, they love this. They love being able to spit in the face of the people and tell them that they’re absolutely fine with what’s going on and we should prepare for things to get worse.
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nojvek 9mo ago

Can Minnesota make a law that bans ICE from operating in the State? i.e Can states override federal authority? Seems like states should have the right to allow ICE. Police departments are already by state.

Sam713 9mo ago
Unfortunately not. Federal law in this circumstance supersedes state authority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
- doom2 9mo ago
  I guess it would be a major step towards civil war, but I wonder if states have the right to protect their residents from unlawful conduct by federal law enforcement. ICE has established a clear pattern of behavior in the last year that should remove any assumption they are acting lawfully (and federal judges have told them as much).

tsoukase 9mo ago

Obviously, the current US government-billionaire mafia openly treats the citizens as immigrants (so they let an immigration authority to act on regular people deep inside the country). They will continue to terrorise and suppress in order to protect their rich privileges. I cannot recall any such situation in a modern developed country.

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mickle00 9mo ago

More fucking shootings in Portland: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2026/01/portland-police-responding-to-report-of-shooting-by-federal-immigration-agent.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2026/01/portland-police-res...

angelfangs 9mo ago

I blame news media, social media, and entertainment for this. You aren't some heroic resistance fighting fascism; you're a citizen not complying with police orders. The real world isn't a Netflix series.

neogodless 9mo ago

https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3va3en22e https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v... And now video made by the person firing the weapon has been released. Make up your own mind.