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based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdota

by iamdave 14y ago

based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? Since when did sharing a belief/stance/daring to opine on something demand anything other than anecdote? I don't like that thought pattern at all.

tomasien 14y ago
I'm not saying they're not valid because they're based on anecdotal experience, but that anecdotal experience is much weaker than say, serious study. Saying his opinions were based on anecdotal observations isn't why I'm saying they're off, it's why I'm saying perhaps there are deeper resources to be examined. That's all, I'm really not trying to demonize his experience in any way, just hoping for further reflection rather than simply being defensive against the extreme reactions from some
arrrg 14y ago
It doesn’t demand anything other – but don’t be surprised when other people then tell you that you are wrong, misguided, ignorant or biased. It’s a quite unsurprising consequence of only relying on your gut-feeling when you opine. Convincing opinions are supported by facts and theories, by knowledge of past thinking on the topic at hand. All opinions are not created equal. I’m sorry, but if you write a stunningly ignorant post on sexism that takes so many wrong turns, you shouldn’t be surprised when other people are offended by your displayed lack of knowledge and care. I don’t want to apologize bullying or harassment – that simply isn’t something you can ever apologize – but anything below that line is perfectly ok.
king_jester 14y ago
> It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? We are talking about the experiences/opinions of a man about sexist treatment of women. This is a classic example of someone speaking over the voices of people actually suffering from sexism and then making opinions that dismiss key issues about sexism. While the author is totally entitled to that opinion and speech, why would anyone be surprised that people got angry about the post?

by iamdave 14y ago

tomasien 14y ago

I'm not saying they're not valid because they're based on anecdotal experience, but that anecdotal experience is much weaker than say, serious study. Saying his opinions were based on anecdotal observations isn't why I'm saying they're off, it's why I'm saying perhaps there are deeper resources to be examined. That's all, I'm really not trying to demonize his experience in any way, just hoping for further reflection rather than simply being defensive against the extreme reactions from some

arrrg 14y ago

It doesn’t demand anything other – but don’t be surprised when other people then tell you that you are wrong, misguided, ignorant or biased. It’s a quite unsurprising consequence of only relying on your gut-feeling when you opine. Convincing opinions are supported by facts and theories, by knowledge of past thinking on the topic at hand. All opinions are not created equal. I’m sorry, but if you write a stunningly ignorant post on sexism that takes so many wrong turns, you shouldn’t be surprised when other people are offended by your displayed lack of knowledge and care. I don’t want to apologize bullying or harassment – that simply isn’t something you can ever apologize – but anything below that line is perfectly ok.

king_jester 14y ago

> It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? We are talking about the experiences/opinions of a man about sexist treatment of women. This is a classic example of someone speaking over the voices of people actually suffering from sexism and then making opinions that dismiss key issues about sexism. While the author is totally entitled to that opinion and speech, why would anyone be surprised that people got angry about the post?