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Things that don’t get concrete results for people tend not to survive 2000+ years, like meditation, taichi/qigong/whatever; so i don’t think some things really
by cyberpunk 10mo ago
Things that don’t get concrete results for people tend not to survive 2000+ years, like meditation, taichi/qigong/whatever; so i don’t think some things really need scientific proof. Even then, how do you scientifically prove if something makes you feel better who really cares if it’s x or y receptor or brainwave pattern or whatever?
- falcor84 10mo agoAstrology is more than 4000 years old, what concrete results did it provide?
- savolai 10mo agoOne could claim it is a self reflection tool where the point is not the claims at face value, but the value lies in the activity itself of focusing, of directing your mind to look at and feel your existence from a different/wide perspective. Which is true about many pedagogical tools. The concrete results would thus be highly specific to the subject and their learning process on what they themselves deem relevant.
- yownie 10mo agoThis has been my answer too, to more analytical minded friends who asked (sardonically). I-ching / tarot can be looked at strictly as systems for structured introspection.
- cyberpunk 10mo agoIt gives people some comfort and motivation, same as religions do. I’m not saying everything that lasted so long has scientifically verifiable benefits, but they clear have some societal or mental benefits otherwise people wouldn’t do em
- muwtyhg 10mo agoThis sounds like saying "Everything that human beings do is good, because if it wasn't, they wouldn't continue to do it!"
- Aeglaecia 10mo agoit may sound like that to you , to me it sounds like survival of the fittest has nothing to do with what we humans choose to define as fit
- edmundsauto 10mo agoSurvival of the fittest is "that which reproduces more successfully, continues". In biology, this is genetics. In ideas, it's memetics. I suppose this means that our most powerful ideas from the internet generation are Rickroll, Doge, and Grumpy Cat.
- mxmilkiib 10mo agoone reflection on that would be the nvc phrase "violence is the tragic expression of unmet needs"
- BobaFloutist 10mo agoOk, then let's put it all together and say that people are interested in whether or not yoga has concrete benefits above and beyond comfort and motivation, which, while obviously valuable, are not the stated benefits.
- foxyv 10mo agoThis is simply an "Appeal to Tradition" fallacy. People do lots of things for thousands of years that are worthless, wrong, or pointless. However, this also doesn't mean that just because we've done these things for a long time that they are in fact pointless. There are methods to prove subjective things like "feeling better." There is in fact a lot of research that shows that meditation and exercise like Taichi is good for you.
- zorobo 10mo agoLike, praying? Or maybe one feels good after sincere prayers, perhaps…
- alfiedotwtf 10mo agoI’ve heard too many stories of people stopping the scientific backed medicines because they’ve thought that prayer was enough. Humans will not be able to evolve until we eradicate religion from the earth.
- moron4hire 10mo agoForgot the ground rhino horn to make your dick hard. What's the thing shark fins are supposed to do? I can never remember.
- IAmBroom 10mo agoPrayer has been around a lot longer than that, and no objective blind tests have ever been able to prove any verifiable results. Longevity of ideas is not correlated with usefulness. Our belief systems are not optimized; they are, like genetic evolution, just 'good enough' to allow survival.