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Agreed, it's one of the only ways forward I can think of while still maintaining markets in some part of the economy...that is, if you care about the human cond
by Tostino 10mo ago
Agreed, it's one of the only ways forward I can think of while still maintaining markets in some part of the economy...that is, if you care about the human condition at all. Plenty of these tech leaders seem to want to replace humanity though, so this will be an uphill battle.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoIt's a nice fantasy but completely contrary to human nature.
- Analemma_ 10mo agoWhat is your alternative, when the price humans can sell their labor at dips below what is necessary for them to survive? All these takes about "UBI will demolish the human spirit" or whatever are just ridiculous when the alternative is "starve to death".
- ryoshoe 10mo agoJust doing nothing isn't great for the "human spirit", but UBI doesn't mean people can't find their own goals to pursue. The idea of something where people are not longer required to work to survive is hard to accept since many people haven't seriously considered how they could meaning outside of their careers
- hackable_sand 10mo agoI could ask every one of my coworkers what they would do and they would have a realistic answer. I don't really have sympathy for people attached to their careers. They did that to themselves.
- serf 10mo agocounterpoint : my father had realistic expectations for what he wanted to do post-retirement. what actually happened was that he sat around purposeless because it turns out that the motivation of producing a paycheck or product was actually the reason he did things. He stopped showering, became depressed, and neglected his health. And this isn't an uncommon reaction to the open-ended 'free-form' life post-retirement. Some people very realistically need to have some level of structure imposed on their life or otherwise be taught how to create that structure themselves. I think this will be a very real problem whenever UBI gets closer to reality.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoI see two alternatives, one that people find new ways to do productive work with or in the presence of LLM, or massive social unrest, rebellion, war and/or starving to death, followed by a reset. I.e. the way human nature has responded to similar imbalances in the past.
- Tostino 10mo agoSo, you have no actual thoughts on this topic other than "UBI is bad" is what I hear.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoMy thoughts are that UBI is not compatible with human nature. It cannot work at societal scale. I'm not sure how I can state it more simply.
- Tostino 10mo agoYou were asked for alternatives, and said essentially "UBI bad, keep doing what we've been doing". Sorry, that seems lazy and uninteresting to me.
- mulmen 10mo agoSo is a compiler. Humanity is the conscious altering of nature.
- squibonpig 10mo agoGlad to hear you've isolated the UBI-incompatibility (UBII) gene. Could you present your findings for the rest of us?
- smileson2 10mo agobe real it's just going to be slavery and murder of anyone who disagrees