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Everyone suggests UBI like this sort of thing is a massive hurricane and we just gotta take it on the chin. Nah man, this stuff isn't happening anywhere else.

Everyone suggests UBI like this sort of thing is a massive hurricane and we just gotta take it on the chin. Nah man, this stuff isn't happening anywhere else. We can simply say "No, you don't get to ruin the economy for your personal profit."

falcor84 9mo ago
Well, here you said it; is it over now?
- krainboltgreene 9mo ago
  I'm confused, do you not know what "we" means?
  - falcor84 9mo ago
    Yes, I have no idea who's this magical "we" in your "We can simply". To me this seems like a textbook coordination problem leading to a tragedy of the commons- even if you got 99.9% of the world into your "we", the remaining "defectors" would have a massive benefit from using AI to replace human labor.
    - krainboltgreene 9mo ago
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      - throwaway290 9mo ago
        the strong interpretation is that you mean we gotta do something. and it's really not "simply" even because "we" needs to include everyone and whoever is a renegade will get more benefit. so if "say" is an euphemism for "do" it seems an obvious question what exactly do we "do". that's another reason why it's not "simply". even if everybody was ready to do something as one, if you think everybody just knows what we should do because it's so obvious you'r mistaken. sure it's asked a bit sarcastic but sarcasm isn't banned right?
      - School-Cotton 9mo ago
        No, I have the same question as that other poster. It is not a bad faith question. There are a lot of problems that would be solved immediately if "we" (i.e. all of humanity, or all of the U.S. or some other country) decided collectively to do something: climate change, nuclear weapons proliferation, war, and so on. But that's effectively wishing for magic -- there is no way to get everyone to collectively agree on something, so unless you explain how to cope with that fact, you haven't actually made any progress. Given that I personally don't control humanity as a hive mind, what can I do to fix this problem? You haven't proposed an answer to that.
bongodongobob 9mo ago
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paul7986 9mo ago
Indeed we need to revolt against AI and force every other big powerful nation to do the same thing. Yet unfortunately that seems like a big joke until AI has destroyed their society too.
tomjen3 9mo ago
Not only can we not just do that (you did not even define what you mean), but China is coming out with models that are good enough for this purpose - and they are, because they are open, everywhere.

falcor84 9mo ago

Well, here you said it; is it over now?

krainboltgreene 9mo ago
I'm confused, do you not know what "we" means?
- falcor84 9mo ago
  Yes, I have no idea who's this magical "we" in your "We can simply". To me this seems like a textbook coordination problem leading to a tragedy of the commons- even if you got 99.9% of the world into your "we", the remaining "defectors" would have a massive benefit from using AI to replace human labor.
  - krainboltgreene 9mo ago
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    - throwaway290 9mo ago
      the strong interpretation is that you mean we gotta do something. and it's really not "simply" even because "we" needs to include everyone and whoever is a renegade will get more benefit. so if "say" is an euphemism for "do" it seems an obvious question what exactly do we "do". that's another reason why it's not "simply". even if everybody was ready to do something as one, if you think everybody just knows what we should do because it's so obvious you'r mistaken. sure it's asked a bit sarcastic but sarcasm isn't banned right?
    - School-Cotton 9mo ago
      No, I have the same question as that other poster. It is not a bad faith question. There are a lot of problems that would be solved immediately if "we" (i.e. all of humanity, or all of the U.S. or some other country) decided collectively to do something: climate change, nuclear weapons proliferation, war, and so on. But that's effectively wishing for magic -- there is no way to get everyone to collectively agree on something, so unless you explain how to cope with that fact, you haven't actually made any progress. Given that I personally don't control humanity as a hive mind, what can I do to fix this problem? You haven't proposed an answer to that.

bongodongobob 9mo ago

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paul7986 9mo ago

Indeed we need to revolt against AI and force every other big powerful nation to do the same thing. Yet unfortunately that seems like a big joke until AI has destroyed their society too.

tomjen3 9mo ago

Not only can we not just do that (you did not even define what you mean), but China is coming out with models that are good enough for this purpose - and they are, because they are open, everywhere.