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The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.p

The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf

munchler 9mo ago
> To Make America Healthy Again, we must return to the basics. Who knows, these guidelines might indeed be sensible, but anything labeled “Make America Healthy Again” has no scientific credibility.
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- zamadatix 9mo ago
  The dumb marketing label lowers the credibility that I'll expect to find good science in it. It in no way defines what the actual scientific credibility should be though.
deinonychus 9mo ago
> Protein serving goals: 1.2–1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, adjusting as needed based on your individual caloric requirements. it's crazy the us gov put this out and is still using kilograms for this formula
- deinonychus 9mo ago
  anyway, i don't find anything here that stands out or is obviously against the consensus, other than recommending tallow as a cooking fat. i don't see any signs of seed oil extremism or sat fat trutherism otherwise. there's even this line about limiting sat fat: > In general, saturated fat consumption should not exceed 10% of total daily calories. Significantly limiting highly processed foods will help meet this goal. More high-quality research is needed to determine which types of dietary fats best support long-term health.
dizzant 9mo ago
The scientific report is much more detailed: https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf I agree with siblings that nothing jumps out (to my non-expert eye) as "very extreme". EDIT: Removed long-winded snark after a more careful reading of the linked document.
- Spellman 9mo ago
  I don't see anything extreme, but the primacy of proteins (and especially meat-based protein) and dairy seem suspicious considering the broader rhetoric coming out.
  - barbazoo 9mo ago
    I wonder if a US economy would be able to function if people at scale ate more healthily and sustainably. That would mean less of most things and more of vegetables, legumes, greens, all that unsexy stuff that is much less labour and energy intensive. The second order effects of not having to grow food for our food, and grow food for ourselves in the first place instead are probably too negative.
devilsdata 9mo ago
It recommends eating more saturated fats from dairy and meat, both of which are very bad for CVD.
- samename 9mo ago
  > In general, saturated fat consumption should not exceed 10% of total daily calories. Significantly limiting highly processed foods will help meet this goal. More high-quality research is needed to determine which types of dietary fats best support long-term health.
  - devilsdata 9mo ago
    So that ends up being roughly 20 grams of saturated fat. I still consider that quite high, given that there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD.
    - nomel 9mo ago
      > there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD Reference? Many of the old studies have been proven flawed and, no surprise, corrupt [1]. Recent studies seem to suggest that it's only linked for some people. Disclaimer: I am nearly uneducated with this topic, but find it increasingly hard to trust anything nutrition related, where big money is involved. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/
      - devilsdata 9mo ago
        While I don't have studies on hand, I recommend watching `Viva Longevity!` on YouTube. He makes a case for the Ancel Keys studies, and why saturated fat is bad and why fiber is good. It's been nearly a year or two since I've looked into it, but basically there is a lot of money in marketing for the beef and dairy industries, and that includes lobbying and influencing the outcomes of scientific studies. It's worth scrutinising claims against the Ancel Keys studies soley based on the fact, in my opinion.

The new dietary guidelines are much more sensible IMO, compared to the food pyramid or MyPlate. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf

munchler 9mo ago

> To Make America Healthy Again, we must return to the basics. Who knows, these guidelines might indeed be sensible, but anything labeled “Make America Healthy Again” has no scientific credibility.

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zamadatix 9mo ago
The dumb marketing label lowers the credibility that I'll expect to find good science in it. It in no way defines what the actual scientific credibility should be though.

deinonychus 9mo ago

> Protein serving goals: 1.2–1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, adjusting as needed based on your individual caloric requirements. it's crazy the us gov put this out and is still using kilograms for this formula

deinonychus 9mo ago
anyway, i don't find anything here that stands out or is obviously against the consensus, other than recommending tallow as a cooking fat. i don't see any signs of seed oil extremism or sat fat trutherism otherwise. there's even this line about limiting sat fat: > In general, saturated fat consumption should not exceed 10% of total daily calories. Significantly limiting highly processed foods will help meet this goal. More high-quality research is needed to determine which types of dietary fats best support long-term health.

dizzant 9mo ago

The scientific report is much more detailed: https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf https://cdn.realfood.gov/Scientific%20Report.pdf I agree with siblings that nothing jumps out (to my non-expert eye) as "very extreme". EDIT: Removed long-winded snark after a more careful reading of the linked document.

Spellman 9mo ago
I don't see anything extreme, but the primacy of proteins (and especially meat-based protein) and dairy seem suspicious considering the broader rhetoric coming out.
- barbazoo 9mo ago
  I wonder if a US economy would be able to function if people at scale ate more healthily and sustainably. That would mean less of most things and more of vegetables, legumes, greens, all that unsexy stuff that is much less labour and energy intensive. The second order effects of not having to grow food for our food, and grow food for ourselves in the first place instead are probably too negative.

devilsdata 9mo ago

It recommends eating more saturated fats from dairy and meat, both of which are very bad for CVD.

samename 9mo ago
> In general, saturated fat consumption should not exceed 10% of total daily calories. Significantly limiting highly processed foods will help meet this goal. More high-quality research is needed to determine which types of dietary fats best support long-term health.
- devilsdata 9mo ago
  So that ends up being roughly 20 grams of saturated fat. I still consider that quite high, given that there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD.
  - nomel 9mo ago
    > there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD Reference? Many of the old studies have been proven flawed and, no surprise, corrupt [1]. Recent studies seem to suggest that it's only linked for some people. Disclaimer: I am nearly uneducated with this topic, but find it increasingly hard to trust anything nutrition related, where big money is involved. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/
    - devilsdata 9mo ago
      While I don't have studies on hand, I recommend watching `Viva Longevity!` on YouTube. He makes a case for the Ancel Keys studies, and why saturated fat is bad and why fiber is good. It's been nearly a year or two since I've looked into it, but basically there is a lot of money in marketing for the beef and dairy industries, and that includes lobbying and influencing the outcomes of scientific studies. It's worth scrutinising claims against the Ancel Keys studies soley based on the fact, in my opinion.