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While I agree that vitriol isn't the best response to someone displaying a lack of understanding, as you did, I hope you don't get defensive and instead try to

While I agree that vitriol isn't the best response to someone displaying a lack of understanding, as you did, I hope you don't get defensive and instead try to learn something from the people who made reasonable critiques of your thoughts. Because they need some adjusting.

antirez 14y ago
Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted".
- tomrod 14y ago
  I don't think he stuttered--he laid his point out his succinctly. What exactly were people taking issue with? I couldn't tell from the post.
- tomasien 14y ago
  (edited because it was in the wrong place in the conversation) Your thoughts about sexism, at least how to express them? Absolutely. I don't want to diminish you or your ability to assess a complex system, but it seemed to me (and a lot of other people) that you expressed a great deal of ignorance and a lot of classic misguided assumptions based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. But if you don't agree after considering that, then that is just that. I only urge you to take this opportunity to do some thinking. Isn't that why you put your thoughts out publicly in the first place?
  - iamdave 14y ago
    based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? Since when did sharing a belief/stance/daring to opine on something demand anything other than anecdote? I don't like that thought pattern at all.
    - tomasien 14y ago
      I'm not saying they're not valid because they're based on anecdotal experience, but that anecdotal experience is much weaker than say, serious study. Saying his opinions were based on anecdotal observations isn't why I'm saying they're off, it's why I'm saying perhaps there are deeper resources to be examined. That's all, I'm really not trying to demonize his experience in any way, just hoping for further reflection rather than simply being defensive against the extreme reactions from some
    - arrrg 14y ago
      It doesn’t demand anything other – but don’t be surprised when other people then tell you that you are wrong, misguided, ignorant or biased. It’s a quite unsurprising consequence of only relying on your gut-feeling when you opine. Convincing opinions are supported by facts and theories, by knowledge of past thinking on the topic at hand. All opinions are not created equal. I’m sorry, but if you write a stunningly ignorant post on sexism that takes so many wrong turns, you shouldn’t be surprised when other people are offended by your displayed lack of knowledge and care. I don’t want to apologize bullying or harassment – that simply isn’t something you can ever apologize – but anything below that line is perfectly ok.
    - king_jester 14y ago
      > It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? We are talking about the experiences/opinions of a man about sexist treatment of women. This is a classic example of someone speaking over the voices of people actually suffering from sexism and then making opinions that dismiss key issues about sexism. While the author is totally entitled to that opinion and speech, why would anyone be surprised that people got angry about the post?
- _pius 14y ago
  Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted". Yes, he did ... so what? That's his opinion. Didn't you just write an entire blog post about how everyone should be entitled to their own views? This whole thing is little more than hypocritical whining on your part. You wrote an offensively naïve opinion piece about problems you've never faced and now you're shocked — shocked! — that those whom you've offended have responded in-kind with their own opinions that now offend you? Embracing free speech also means recognizing the right of others to respond to you.
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- Tichy 14y ago
  Being critical about yourself is probably not your greatest asset. Just my impression from your two comments here...
  - tomasien 14y ago
    Certainly noted

antirez 14y ago

Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted".

tomrod 14y ago
I don't think he stuttered--he laid his point out his succinctly. What exactly were people taking issue with? I couldn't tell from the post.
tomasien 14y ago
(edited because it was in the wrong place in the conversation) Your thoughts about sexism, at least how to express them? Absolutely. I don't want to diminish you or your ability to assess a complex system, but it seemed to me (and a lot of other people) that you expressed a great deal of ignorance and a lot of classic misguided assumptions based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. But if you don't agree after considering that, then that is just that. I only urge you to take this opportunity to do some thinking. Isn't that why you put your thoughts out publicly in the first place?
- iamdave 14y ago
  based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? Since when did sharing a belief/stance/daring to opine on something demand anything other than anecdote? I don't like that thought pattern at all.
  - tomasien 14y ago
    I'm not saying they're not valid because they're based on anecdotal experience, but that anecdotal experience is much weaker than say, serious study. Saying his opinions were based on anecdotal observations isn't why I'm saying they're off, it's why I'm saying perhaps there are deeper resources to be examined. That's all, I'm really not trying to demonize his experience in any way, just hoping for further reflection rather than simply being defensive against the extreme reactions from some
  - arrrg 14y ago
    It doesn’t demand anything other – but don’t be surprised when other people then tell you that you are wrong, misguided, ignorant or biased. It’s a quite unsurprising consequence of only relying on your gut-feeling when you opine. Convincing opinions are supported by facts and theories, by knowledge of past thinking on the topic at hand. All opinions are not created equal. I’m sorry, but if you write a stunningly ignorant post on sexism that takes so many wrong turns, you shouldn’t be surprised when other people are offended by your displayed lack of knowledge and care. I don’t want to apologize bullying or harassment – that simply isn’t something you can ever apologize – but anything below that line is perfectly ok.
  - king_jester 14y ago
    > It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion? We are talking about the experiences/opinions of a man about sexist treatment of women. This is a classic example of someone speaking over the voices of people actually suffering from sexism and then making opinions that dismiss key issues about sexism. While the author is totally entitled to that opinion and speech, why would anyone be surprised that people got angry about the post?
_pius 14y ago
Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted". Yes, he did ... so what? That's his opinion. Didn't you just write an entire blog post about how everyone should be entitled to their own views? This whole thing is little more than hypocritical whining on your part. You wrote an offensively naïve opinion piece about problems you've never faced and now you're shocked — shocked! — that those whom you've offended have responded in-kind with their own opinions that now offend you? Embracing free speech also means recognizing the right of others to respond to you.

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Tichy 14y ago
Being critical about yourself is probably not your greatest asset. Just my impression from your two comments here...
- tomasien 14y ago
  Certainly noted