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Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person.
by DetectDefect 9mo ago
Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person.
- giantg2 9mo agoThen I would think the meat, dairy, and egg industry didn't get their money's worth. The My Plate guidelines have protein as less than 25% of the plate, and nothing says it has to be animal based.
- DetectDefect 9mo agoThe Court has actually ruled that the USDA violated federal law by hiding conflicts of interest in the Dietary Guidelines. It is beyond insane that these are the official guidelines on what Americans should eat. Why would anyone defend them?
- giantg2 9mo agoWhat do you find disagreeable about the My Plate that was linked?
- DetectDefect 9mo agoI just told you: it's made by food industry interests and is ultimately divorced from actual nutrition science.
- giantg2 9mo agoAnd I'm asking what would be different if you had to make a basic graphic based on nutritional science vs the My Plate graphic.
- mapotofu 9mo agoI wouldn’t reduce food to some stupid equational graphic. Instead I would work to try to regain trust by cracking the whip on these companies for once, whether it’s their prices, the quality of their products, their advertising, or all of the above. Our diets deserve more respect and that’s the reason RFK has an audience. He’s speaking to people who believe that. There can be better leaders than him, but at least he’s doing something!
- flatline 9mo agoDairy is completely unnecessary, for one. Its prominence on the plate makes everything else immediately suspect. There are probably some axes along which a glass of milk or cup of (unsweetened) yogurt is one reasonable option but that's not what is being promoted here.
- giantg2 9mo agoI see it as more of a limit than a requirement. After all, you can technically satisfy your dietary needs with vegetables and eliminate fruits. But we aren't talking about technicalities and edge cases, rather what a balanced diet might consist of. For many people that does include dairy and fruits, even if neither are completely necessary.
- flatline 9mo agoI would gently suggest that you may be blinded by a cultural bias here, which has partly been formed by the dairy lobby over the course of every living American’s lifetime. While it is true that we are not the only culture that drinks cow’s milk, it is predominantly a Northern European and later American phenomenon, and the number of people who are intolerant to dairy on some level is very high. I’m not saying a balanced diet cannot consist of dairy, but implying it should, as the plate diagram does, is highly misleading and outright paid for.
- giantg2 9mo ago"I’m not saying a balanced diet cannot consist of dairy, but implying it should, as the plate diagram does, is highly misleading and outright paid for." And to exclude it would imply that it cannot be part of a balanced diet. That would be misleading based on the predominate culture. "I would gently suggest that you may be blinded by a cultural bias here," I would suggest that you are not aware of the cultural background. The US was colonized by Europeans. Many cultures who immigrated also used milk, cheese, or other dairy products. It makes sense that the guidelines be based on the cultural background of the foods eaten in that country. Also many Asian countries have nutrition guidelines that include dairy products, not to mention historical cultural foods that do include dairy.
- dontlikeyoueith 9mo agoHow about critiquing the actual recommendation instead of the people?
- knowitnone3 9mo agoI find Diary to be completely unnecessary and was paid for by the diary industry.
- platevoltage 9mo agoAbsolutely. The human body was not meant to process the milk of other animals.
- bagels 9mo agoWhat was it meant to process? Why have some of us evolved tolerance for lactose?
- DetectDefect 9mo agoFruits, roots and vegetables. A tolerance for lactose is not an indication of optimal human food.
- platevoltage 9mo agoI mean, some animals have evolved to thrive in post Chernobyl disaster Pripyat. No other animal consumes the milk of another species of animal.
- stevenwoo 9mo agoYes, but I have distinct memories of these nutrition facts being taught to us in school for years, and our teachers asking us to report back how well we conformed to this supposed ideal diet as homework prior to any possible expectation that we children could be informed consumers.
- panja 9mo agoGoing through that link, it's hard to see where you came to that conclusion? It seems to have pretty reasonable dietary advice.
- DetectDefect 9mo ago[flagged]
- miltonlost 9mo ago> tells people to eat the food of another mammal's baby. This is the opposite of "reasonable" - it is actual government propaganda to support lobbied industry. Oh, I was wondering where the part of your screed was gonna come out as crazy. Human consumption of dairy is thousands of years old.
- wgjordan 9mo agoPlease follow the HN guidelines [1]: When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- DetectDefect 9mo agoMany (most?) human behaviors are thousands of years old, it does not make them reasonable. Also, refrain from hurling insults; just do not respond if you cannot materially substantiate your argument.
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- Mountain_Skies 9mo agoThe food pyramid also seemed like pretty reasonable dietary advice until it wasn't. The skepticism expressed by other posters about where the guidelines originated from is well founded.
- resoluteteeth 9mo ago> Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person. The RFK jr version of the food pyramid now moves meat and dairy to the biggest section of the pyramid
- CrimsonRain 9mo ago[flagged]