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The food pyramid went away over twenty years ago. It was discontinued in 2005, and the current guidelines are at https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate https://w
by mullingitover 10mo ago
The food pyramid went away over twenty years ago. It was discontinued in 2005, and the current guidelines are at https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate which launched in 2011.
- DetectDefect 10mo agoWhich are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person.
- giantg2 10mo agoThen I would think the meat, dairy, and egg industry didn't get their money's worth. The My Plate guidelines have protein as less than 25% of the plate, and nothing says it has to be animal based.
- DetectDefect 10mo agoThe Court has actually ruled that the USDA violated federal law by hiding conflicts of interest in the Dietary Guidelines. It is beyond insane that these are the official guidelines on what Americans should eat. Why would anyone defend them?
- giantg2 10mo agoWhat do you find disagreeable about the My Plate that was linked?
- DetectDefect 10mo agoI just told you: it's made by food industry interests and is ultimately divorced from actual nutrition science.
- giantg2 10mo agoAnd I'm asking what would be different if you had to make a basic graphic based on nutritional science vs the My Plate graphic.
- mapotofu 10mo agoI wouldn’t reduce food to some stupid equational graphic. Instead I would work to try to regain trust by cracking the whip on these companies for once, whether it’s their prices, the quality of their products, their advertising, or all of the above. Our diets deserve more respect and that’s the reason RFK has an audience. He’s speaking to people who believe that. There can be better leaders than him, but at least he’s doing something!
- flatline 10mo agoDairy is completely unnecessary, for one. Its prominence on the plate makes everything else immediately suspect. There are probably some axes along which a glass of milk or cup of (unsweetened) yogurt is one reasonable option but that's not what is being promoted here.
- giantg2 10mo agoI see it as more of a limit than a requirement. After all, you can technically satisfy your dietary needs with vegetables and eliminate fruits. But we aren't talking about technicalities and edge cases, rather what a balanced diet might consist of. For many people that does include dairy and fruits, even if neither are completely necessary.
- flatline 10mo agoI would gently suggest that you may be blinded by a cultural bias here, which has partly been formed by the dairy lobby over the course of every living American’s lifetime. While it is true that we are not the only culture that drinks cow’s milk, it is predominantly a Northern European and later American phenomenon, and the number of people who are intolerant to dairy on some level is very high. I’m not saying a balanced diet cannot consist of dairy, but implying it should, as the plate diagram does, is highly misleading and outright paid for.
- knowitnone3 10mo agoI find Diary to be completely unnecessary and was paid for by the diary industry.
- platevoltage 10mo agoAbsolutely. The human body was not meant to process the milk of other animals.
- bagels 10mo agoWhat was it meant to process? Why have some of us evolved tolerance for lactose?
- DetectDefect 10mo agoFruits, roots and vegetables. A tolerance for lactose is not an indication of optimal human food.
- platevoltage 10mo agoI mean, some animals have evolved to thrive in post Chernobyl disaster Pripyat. No other animal consumes the milk of another species of animal.
- stevenwoo 10mo agoYes, but I have distinct memories of these nutrition facts being taught to us in school for years, and our teachers asking us to report back how well we conformed to this supposed ideal diet as homework prior to any possible expectation that we children could be informed consumers.
- panja 10mo agoGoing through that link, it's hard to see where you came to that conclusion? It seems to have pretty reasonable dietary advice.
- DetectDefect 10mo ago[flagged]
- miltonlost 10mo ago> tells people to eat the food of another mammal's baby. This is the opposite of "reasonable" - it is actual government propaganda to support lobbied industry. Oh, I was wondering where the part of your screed was gonna come out as crazy. Human consumption of dairy is thousands of years old.
- wgjordan 10mo agoPlease follow the HN guidelines [1]: When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- DetectDefect 10mo agoMany (most?) human behaviors are thousands of years old, it does not make them reasonable. Also, refrain from hurling insults; just do not respond if you cannot materially substantiate your argument.
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- Mountain_Skies 10mo agoThe food pyramid also seemed like pretty reasonable dietary advice until it wasn't. The skepticism expressed by other posters about where the guidelines originated from is well founded.
- resoluteteeth 10mo ago> Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person. The RFK jr version of the food pyramid now moves meat and dairy to the biggest section of the pyramid
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- ecshafer 10mo agoEven the myplate doesn't seem right. There's probably too much fruit and too much dairy. There isn't any indication of legumes. Vegetables is too vague. There is no indication of fats, which are part of everything else.
- nsxwolf 10mo agoI just see one lobby, "Big Macronutrient". We all need to eat. I'll be worried when some company tries to make me eat actual plastic. We know far less about any of this than we pretend to.
- js2 10mo ago> eat actual plastic. Foreseeing such Crimes of the Future, David Cronenberg has already made that one into a movie.
- lithocarpus 10mo agoI mean I've seen "low calorie bread" that was basically industrial bread cut with cellulose which is analogous to very fine sawdust.
- aziaziazi 10mo agoCellulose is one of the main constituant of plants and as a fiber, great for your gut: > In human nutrition, cellulose is a non-digestible constituent of insoluble dietary fiber, acting as a hydrophilic bulking agent for feces and potentially aiding in defecation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose Workshop sawdust would be a bad idea though.
- lithocarpus 9mo agoI'm dubious about the idea that the cellulose additive is no different than eating plants. The forms that are used in food are refined / modified, i.e. not the same thing that I eat when I eat plants. I know a few people who react very badly to this added cellulose but don't have issues eating plants.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoBut prior to that it was pushed very hard in elementary schools. I remember performing in a school play that was all about the food pyramid and nutrition, in lockstep with the government propaganda at the time.