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Totally disagree. One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. > People on larger companies

Totally disagree. One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. > People on larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding False Microsoft is all in with Copilot, and I can't believe the company that created Copilot doesn't use it internally, I'd rather say they should be the ones that would know how to master it! Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc

PretzelPirate 10mo ago
> Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc Why do you assume that Microsoft would focus on building a better (to you) VSCode or less bloated Teams? I assume they'd use Github Copilot to make a more profitable VSCode and Teams, which doesn't require focusing on speed and bloat.
- hollowturtle 10mo ago
  I'm not assuming, the whole narrative goes like "software development is a solved problem and a sunken cost" Ok if the cost is low why not then? It makes sense to improve your product and strenghten your market position
  - PretzelPirate 10mo ago
    > Ok if the cost is low why not then? There are still budgets that constrain on how much you can achieve. If Microsoft thinks using AI to add more AI features will be more profitable than increasing performance, the that's where they'll spend their budget.
    - hollowturtle 10mo ago
      Sure and keep failing miserably loosing customers that would install Linux where, thanks to Valve, games are emulated and runs better than on Windows
throwup238 10mo ago
> One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. Not according to a Zed team member, in these very comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437
- hollowturtle 10mo ago
  They haven't started Zed with vibe coding but rather now iterating over the stable and mature codebase for making changes/fixing bugs, comment is out of topic
scottyeager 10mo ago
Do you mean to say Zed wasn't vibe coded? There's actually another comment on this post describing how someone is using Opus 4.5 to work on Zed. Given how forward the AI features are in Zed I'd be surprised if the team wasn't also embracing it internally. It's a fair question how much AI is accelerating the development of Zed, but I can say that I've been impressed with the speed they are shipping at.
- hollowturtle 10mo ago
  Indeed it wasn't vibe coded, using LLMs to iterate over a mature and well structured codebase is another thing and won't obliterate the existince of software programmers
pluralmonad 10mo ago
I don't recall if it was an AGENT.md or CLAUDE.md but one of those was definitely in the Zed repo last time I looked at it. Someone is using AI to work on it.
ciupicri 10mo ago
Zed fast? No way as I've mentioned last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817

PretzelPirate 10mo ago

> Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc Why do you assume that Microsoft would focus on building a better (to you) VSCode or less bloated Teams? I assume they'd use Github Copilot to make a more profitable VSCode and Teams, which doesn't require focusing on speed and bloat.

hollowturtle 10mo ago
I'm not assuming, the whole narrative goes like "software development is a solved problem and a sunken cost" Ok if the cost is low why not then? It makes sense to improve your product and strenghten your market position
- PretzelPirate 10mo ago
  > Ok if the cost is low why not then? There are still budgets that constrain on how much you can achieve. If Microsoft thinks using AI to add more AI features will be more profitable than increasing performance, the that's where they'll spend their budget.
  - hollowturtle 10mo ago
    Sure and keep failing miserably loosing customers that would install Linux where, thanks to Valve, games are emulated and runs better than on Windows

throwup238 10mo ago

> One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. Not according to a Zed team member, in these very comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437

hollowturtle 10mo ago
They haven't started Zed with vibe coding but rather now iterating over the stable and mature codebase for making changes/fixing bugs, comment is out of topic

scottyeager 10mo ago

Do you mean to say Zed wasn't vibe coded? There's actually another comment on this post describing how someone is using Opus 4.5 to work on Zed. Given how forward the AI features are in Zed I'd be surprised if the team wasn't also embracing it internally. It's a fair question how much AI is accelerating the development of Zed, but I can say that I've been impressed with the speed they are shipping at.

hollowturtle 10mo ago
Indeed it wasn't vibe coded, using LLMs to iterate over a mature and well structured codebase is another thing and won't obliterate the existince of software programmers

pluralmonad 10mo ago

I don't recall if it was an AGENT.md or CLAUDE.md but one of those was definitely in the Zed repo last time I looked at it. Someone is using AI to work on it.

ciupicri 10mo ago

Zed fast? No way as I've mentioned last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817