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With all due respect somebody could launch a version of Discord that's 10x faster tomorrow and nobody would know about it It's very difficult to unseat those i

With all due respect somebody could launch a version of Discord that's 10x faster tomorrow and nobody would know about it It's very difficult to unseat those incumbents, especially those with strong network effects. Plus the people that work in those larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding at all and not motivated to rock the boat

hollowturtle 9mo ago
Totally disagree. One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. > People on larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding False Microsoft is all in with Copilot, and I can't believe the company that created Copilot doesn't use it internally, I'd rather say they should be the ones that would know how to master it! Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc
- PretzelPirate 9mo ago
  > Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc Why do you assume that Microsoft would focus on building a better (to you) VSCode or less bloated Teams? I assume they'd use Github Copilot to make a more profitable VSCode and Teams, which doesn't require focusing on speed and bloat.
  - hollowturtle 9mo ago
    I'm not assuming, the whole narrative goes like "software development is a solved problem and a sunken cost" Ok if the cost is low why not then? It makes sense to improve your product and strenghten your market position
    - PretzelPirate 9mo ago
      > Ok if the cost is low why not then? There are still budgets that constrain on how much you can achieve. If Microsoft thinks using AI to add more AI features will be more profitable than increasing performance, the that's where they'll spend their budget.
      - hollowturtle 9mo ago
        Sure and keep failing miserably loosing customers that would install Linux where, thanks to Valve, games are emulated and runs better than on Windows
- throwup238 9mo ago
  > One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. Not according to a Zed team member, in these very comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437
  - hollowturtle 9mo ago
    They haven't started Zed with vibe coding but rather now iterating over the stable and mature codebase for making changes/fixing bugs, comment is out of topic
- scottyeager 9mo ago
  Do you mean to say Zed wasn't vibe coded? There's actually another comment on this post describing how someone is using Opus 4.5 to work on Zed. Given how forward the AI features are in Zed I'd be surprised if the team wasn't also embracing it internally. It's a fair question how much AI is accelerating the development of Zed, but I can say that I've been impressed with the speed they are shipping at.
  - hollowturtle 9mo ago
    Indeed it wasn't vibe coded, using LLMs to iterate over a mature and well structured codebase is another thing and won't obliterate the existince of software programmers
- pluralmonad 9mo ago
  I don't recall if it was an AGENT.md or CLAUDE.md but one of those was definitely in the Zed repo last time I looked at it. Someone is using AI to work on it.
- ciupicri 9mo ago
  Zed fast? No way as I've mentioned last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817
twak 9mo ago
you can build it and simply use it in your own office? There is no need to shout about it if the cost of writing software goes to zero (but the value remains non-zero!).
exographicskip 9mo ago
Get the feeling with the pending IPO, there might be some challengers to discord that get more traction due to the protracted enshittification of the platform (cf. bluesky)

hollowturtle 9mo ago

Totally disagree. One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. > People on larger companies are not at the edge of AI coding False Microsoft is all in with Copilot, and I can't believe the company that created Copilot doesn't use it internally, I'd rather say they should be the ones that would know how to master it! Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc

PretzelPirate 9mo ago
> Yet no better vscode, still bloated teams etc etc Why do you assume that Microsoft would focus on building a better (to you) VSCode or less bloated Teams? I assume they'd use Github Copilot to make a more profitable VSCode and Teams, which doesn't require focusing on speed and bloat.
- hollowturtle 9mo ago
  I'm not assuming, the whole narrative goes like "software development is a solved problem and a sunken cost" Ok if the cost is low why not then? It makes sense to improve your product and strenghten your market position
  - PretzelPirate 9mo ago
    > Ok if the cost is low why not then? There are still budgets that constrain on how much you can achieve. If Microsoft thinks using AI to add more AI features will be more profitable than increasing performance, the that's where they'll spend their budget.
    - hollowturtle 9mo ago
      Sure and keep failing miserably loosing customers that would install Linux where, thanks to Valve, games are emulated and runs better than on Windows
throwup238 9mo ago
> One example is Zed which is very well known and it's faster than any other editor, wasn't built with AI though. Not according to a Zed team member, in these very comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46522437
- hollowturtle 9mo ago
  They haven't started Zed with vibe coding but rather now iterating over the stable and mature codebase for making changes/fixing bugs, comment is out of topic
scottyeager 9mo ago
Do you mean to say Zed wasn't vibe coded? There's actually another comment on this post describing how someone is using Opus 4.5 to work on Zed. Given how forward the AI features are in Zed I'd be surprised if the team wasn't also embracing it internally. It's a fair question how much AI is accelerating the development of Zed, but I can say that I've been impressed with the speed they are shipping at.
- hollowturtle 9mo ago
  Indeed it wasn't vibe coded, using LLMs to iterate over a mature and well structured codebase is another thing and won't obliterate the existince of software programmers
pluralmonad 9mo ago
I don't recall if it was an AGENT.md or CLAUDE.md but one of those was definitely in the Zed repo last time I looked at it. Someone is using AI to work on it.
ciupicri 9mo ago
Zed fast? No way as I've mentioned last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42819817

twak 9mo ago

you can build it and simply use it in your own office? There is no need to shout about it if the cost of writing software goes to zero (but the value remains non-zero!).

exographicskip 9mo ago

Get the feeling with the pending IPO, there might be some challengers to discord that get more traction due to the protracted enshittification of the platform (cf. bluesky)