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I have it the opposite way. Moving my right hand from the keyboard to the mouse doesn’t save me time - so as with most things: YMMV

by jalk 9mo ago

_fat_santa 9mo ago
If you're using something like vim or emacs then yeah I would agree with you but for something like docker commands, there's just no easy way to copy a specific container ID without using the mouse (if there is let me know lol). My logic is if your hand is already on the mouse, it's going to be faster to paste with a mouse than your keyboard.
- vladvasiliu 9mo ago
  > for something like docker commands, there's just no easy way to copy a specific container ID without using the mouse Some terminals have a mode where you can move the cursor around the history, and allow searching / copying / pasting. Alacritty and tmux come to mind, others may also implement something similar.
  - WD-42 9mo ago
    It’s still annoying to move. The only way it’s practical is if you can store a regex to match container ids or whatever, and quickly fetch it
    - Y_Y 9mo ago
      I do something that, but just parse the output of `docker ps` or whatever. Since each line has the same format it's very straightforward.
    - fragmede 9mo ago
      oh heh I do docker ps -a | grep image_name_or_whatever | awk1 | pbcopy (or xclip on linux) (awk1 is an alias for awk "{print $1}" and I just have awk1-10 or whatever) to grab the container id and put it on the clipboard
blacklion 9mo ago
It is why I (right-handed) was tфught by my first boss on first job in 2000s to use left hand for the mouse: secondary hand for secondary task (I'm not designer, artist or pro-gamer, so keyboard is primary tool). Now I have a big problem with this: there is no good left-handed mouses on the market anymore, and symmetric mouses has right-handed buttons (and no thumb buttons like forward-backward or left-handed side). Buttons can be swapped in OS, but it messed up remote access like VNC or RDP to systems without swapped buttons... So, buttons must be swapped physically. No luck.
- mikkupikku 9mo ago
  I would kill for a true ambi five-button mouse to replace my old Microsoft Intellimouse, but I've run into the same problem, they just don't seem to exist anymore. All five button mice on the market either have both buttons 4 and 5 on the left side for righties, or have a grotesquely unbalanced design in some other way.
  - arkh 9mo ago
    > I would kill for a true ambi five-button mouse to replace my old Microsoft Intellimouse, but I've run into the same problem, they just don't seem to exist anymore. I was going to say Steelseries Sensei but it looks like those have been discontinued.
  - cypherpunk666 9mo ago
    not enough buttons maybe but these have a version called "L LEFT" https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/m650-signature-wireless-mouse https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/m650-signature-wireles...
    - blacklion 9mo ago
      It has one problem: buttons not swapped physically! Yes, leftmost button is primary one (first), and rightmost is secondary (third). I have this one and use it, with software swapping, but each time I login to remote computer via RDP I need to un-swap in settings again and then back :-( It is striking, that Logitech forgot how to make proper left-handed mouse. Their older models (discontinued for long time) were perfectly Ok! Also, it very small for my hand. But better than nothing.
orev 9mo ago
Having mouse paste as an option doesn’t remove the fact that keyboard paste is also an option, so that’s really immaterial to the topic.
bluGill 9mo ago
Are you sure? Have you actually timed this, or are you just using your subjective impression of time. In Human factors engineering we have known for decades that some things that seem faster are really slower when you time it. We are taught early to never trust what someone says about time, always find an objective way to measure it.
BeetleB 9mo ago
Well, I usually use the mouse to select text. And then I usually use the mouse to put the cursor precisely where I need to paste. So even in a Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V workflow, I'm using the mouse as much.

I have it the opposite way. Moving my right hand from the keyboard to the mouse doesn’t save me time - so as with most things: YMMV

by jalk 9mo ago

I have it the opposite way. Moving my right hand from the keyboard to the mouse doesn’t save me time - so as with most things: YMMV

_fat_santa 9mo ago

If you're using something like vim or emacs then yeah I would agree with you but for something like docker commands, there's just no easy way to copy a specific container ID without using the mouse (if there is let me know lol). My logic is if your hand is already on the mouse, it's going to be faster to paste with a mouse than your keyboard.

vladvasiliu 9mo ago
> for something like docker commands, there's just no easy way to copy a specific container ID without using the mouse Some terminals have a mode where you can move the cursor around the history, and allow searching / copying / pasting. Alacritty and tmux come to mind, others may also implement something similar.
- WD-42 9mo ago
  It’s still annoying to move. The only way it’s practical is if you can store a regex to match container ids or whatever, and quickly fetch it
  - Y_Y 9mo ago
    I do something that, but just parse the output of `docker ps` or whatever. Since each line has the same format it's very straightforward.
  - fragmede 9mo ago
    oh heh I do docker ps -a | grep image_name_or_whatever | awk1 | pbcopy (or xclip on linux) (awk1 is an alias for awk "{print $1}" and I just have awk1-10 or whatever) to grab the container id and put it on the clipboard

blacklion 9mo ago

It is why I (right-handed) was tфught by my first boss on first job in 2000s to use left hand for the mouse: secondary hand for secondary task (I'm not designer, artist or pro-gamer, so keyboard is primary tool). Now I have a big problem with this: there is no good left-handed mouses on the market anymore, and symmetric mouses has right-handed buttons (and no thumb buttons like forward-backward or left-handed side). Buttons can be swapped in OS, but it messed up remote access like VNC or RDP to systems without swapped buttons... So, buttons must be swapped physically. No luck.

mikkupikku 9mo ago
I would kill for a true ambi five-button mouse to replace my old Microsoft Intellimouse, but I've run into the same problem, they just don't seem to exist anymore. All five button mice on the market either have both buttons 4 and 5 on the left side for righties, or have a grotesquely unbalanced design in some other way.
- arkh 9mo ago
  > I would kill for a true ambi five-button mouse to replace my old Microsoft Intellimouse, but I've run into the same problem, they just don't seem to exist anymore. I was going to say Steelseries Sensei but it looks like those have been discontinued.
- cypherpunk666 9mo ago
  not enough buttons maybe but these have a version called "L LEFT" https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/m650-signature-wireless-mouse https://www.logitech.com/en-us/shop/p/m650-signature-wireles...
  - blacklion 9mo ago
    It has one problem: buttons not swapped physically! Yes, leftmost button is primary one (first), and rightmost is secondary (third). I have this one and use it, with software swapping, but each time I login to remote computer via RDP I need to un-swap in settings again and then back :-( It is striking, that Logitech forgot how to make proper left-handed mouse. Their older models (discontinued for long time) were perfectly Ok! Also, it very small for my hand. But better than nothing.

orev 9mo ago

Having mouse paste as an option doesn’t remove the fact that keyboard paste is also an option, so that’s really immaterial to the topic.

bluGill 9mo ago

Are you sure? Have you actually timed this, or are you just using your subjective impression of time. In Human factors engineering we have known for decades that some things that seem faster are really slower when you time it. We are taught early to never trust what someone says about time, always find an objective way to measure it.

BeetleB 9mo ago

Well, I usually use the mouse to select text. And then I usually use the mouse to put the cursor precisely where I need to paste. So even in a Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V workflow, I'm using the mouse as much.