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Some Venezulean sources claim US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead and forward operating site but had to ret

Some Venezulean sources claim US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead and forward operating site but had to return to the battle group without successful deployment (or any deployment at all) after it came under Venezulean fire: https://xcancel.com/lolams768/status/2007845728333484207#m https://xcancel.com/lolams768/status/2007845728333484207#m With this in mind, the abduction of Maduro apparently was a desperate "Plan B", and it looks like everything the Trump admin is saying now is being pulled right out of thin air because this op clearly wasn't executed as planned at all. Make of that what you will.

afavour 9mo ago
I’m not wholly convinced, I think you’d have had US sources corroborating that by now.
notahacker 9mo ago
Seems unlikely the US had scores of boats lined up for a well-planned invasion which they chickened out of at the first sign of return fire and then "desperately" captured the enemy president some miles inland in a relatively bloodless operation instead. A small detachment of US troops didn't succeed in taking some sort of secondary objective like taking out a coastguard station or comms node, maybe.
- jandrese 9mo ago
  I agree that it stretches credulity but one scenario is that they were promised the Venezuelan military would stand down and let the US conduct its operation with minimal resistance. If that was not the case then the minimal troops for the beachhead may have decided that the token landing for PR purposes was not necessary and bugged out. One of the strangest things about the entire operation is how the US left absolutely nobody behind to administer the country. Not even a consultant. The Venezuelan VP is now in charge and the government is largely intact. It's hard to see how this affects any meaningful change in the country. I did find it amusing that the opposition leader released a statement with her lips firmly planted on Trumps ass and even talked about "sharing" the Nobel Peace Prize just to see if he's enough of an idiot that such obvious flattery would work.
  - viraptor 9mo ago
    > The Venezuelan VP is now in charge and the government is largely intact. It's hard to see how this affects any meaningful change in the country. It's a threat - "Do as we say or you're next." Which the US was pretty public and explicit about. They don't need anyone on site for that. It's not like they actually care what happens beyond the resources use.
- hamdingers 9mo ago
  >50 people killed is not a "bloodless" operation. Lets not minimize.
  - terminalshort 9mo ago
    In terms of war that's basically nothing
    - hamdingers 9mo ago
      Words have meanings and the operation was not bloodless.
      - notahacker 9mo ago
        Words have meanings and the word relatively present in the original sentence clearly indicates that it was a comparison with the many orders of magnitude more casualties that would be expected from a full scale invasion. Particularly when the consideration was whether the mission panned out as the US intended, and their priority is bringing their own troops home (which they apparently managed with only a few injuries), not sparing Venezuelans unfortunate enough to be at the other end of their weapons.
- CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
  Forward operating site is not what you seem to think. It's more like a place to set up temporary comms support, recon support, maybe SAMs etc then skedaddle out of there (perhaps leaving the equipment behind for the duration of the operation). If the site cannot be clandestinely set up then it's often not worth trying. What parent described is perfectly reasonable
  - notahacker 9mo ago
    If the US planned to invade rather than raid Venezuela, I don't think the inability to capture a single forward operating site clandestinely would lead to the entire operation being called off. If they didn't, the alleged beachhead is moot. They had boots on the ground when capturing Maduro too. What's more likely: the US "desperately" stumbled upon a capture of Maduro at almost zero cost to them after their real plan to seize Venezuelan territory went awry due to heroic Venezuelan defending as the parent implies, or that the intention was to capture and remove Maduro without invading and this was what they did, regardless of whether a few peripheral targets got missed?
    - CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
      IDK what you are saying but I don't think we disagree. Maybe I had meant to reply to parent comment instead of you
terminalshort 9mo ago
Sounds like BS to me. If the Venezuelan military has the ability to drive back an actual US military landing operation, then a deep raid into the capital would be impossible.
rdtsc 9mo ago
> US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead and forward operating site but had to return to the battle group without successful deployment (or any deployment at all) after it came under Venezulean fire That sounds unlikely. They have aircraft carriers and just a large modern navy but a helicopter comes under fire and they cancel the invasion?
wat10000 9mo ago
How would they even know that? If this is true, then all they actually know is that an American helicopter was fired on and departed. They'd have no way of knowing why it was there, what was being attempted, why it left, or what the plans were.
naasking 9mo ago
Or that was just a distraction intended to obscure the true intent. Frankly that sounds a lot more plausible.
mike_d 9mo ago
> Some Venezulean sources claim US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead With a myoptic view of the battlefield it is easy to convince yourself that the distractions launched to keep the military busy were the primary objectives.

afavour 9mo ago

I’m not wholly convinced, I think you’d have had US sources corroborating that by now.

notahacker 9mo ago

Seems unlikely the US had scores of boats lined up for a well-planned invasion which they chickened out of at the first sign of return fire and then "desperately" captured the enemy president some miles inland in a relatively bloodless operation instead. A small detachment of US troops didn't succeed in taking some sort of secondary objective like taking out a coastguard station or comms node, maybe.

jandrese 9mo ago
I agree that it stretches credulity but one scenario is that they were promised the Venezuelan military would stand down and let the US conduct its operation with minimal resistance. If that was not the case then the minimal troops for the beachhead may have decided that the token landing for PR purposes was not necessary and bugged out. One of the strangest things about the entire operation is how the US left absolutely nobody behind to administer the country. Not even a consultant. The Venezuelan VP is now in charge and the government is largely intact. It's hard to see how this affects any meaningful change in the country. I did find it amusing that the opposition leader released a statement with her lips firmly planted on Trumps ass and even talked about "sharing" the Nobel Peace Prize just to see if he's enough of an idiot that such obvious flattery would work.
- viraptor 9mo ago
  > The Venezuelan VP is now in charge and the government is largely intact. It's hard to see how this affects any meaningful change in the country. It's a threat - "Do as we say or you're next." Which the US was pretty public and explicit about. They don't need anyone on site for that. It's not like they actually care what happens beyond the resources use.
hamdingers 9mo ago
>50 people killed is not a "bloodless" operation. Lets not minimize.
- terminalshort 9mo ago
  In terms of war that's basically nothing
  - hamdingers 9mo ago
    Words have meanings and the operation was not bloodless.
    - notahacker 9mo ago
      Words have meanings and the word relatively present in the original sentence clearly indicates that it was a comparison with the many orders of magnitude more casualties that would be expected from a full scale invasion. Particularly when the consideration was whether the mission panned out as the US intended, and their priority is bringing their own troops home (which they apparently managed with only a few injuries), not sparing Venezuelans unfortunate enough to be at the other end of their weapons.
CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
Forward operating site is not what you seem to think. It's more like a place to set up temporary comms support, recon support, maybe SAMs etc then skedaddle out of there (perhaps leaving the equipment behind for the duration of the operation). If the site cannot be clandestinely set up then it's often not worth trying. What parent described is perfectly reasonable
- notahacker 9mo ago
  If the US planned to invade rather than raid Venezuela, I don't think the inability to capture a single forward operating site clandestinely would lead to the entire operation being called off. If they didn't, the alleged beachhead is moot. They had boots on the ground when capturing Maduro too. What's more likely: the US "desperately" stumbled upon a capture of Maduro at almost zero cost to them after their real plan to seize Venezuelan territory went awry due to heroic Venezuelan defending as the parent implies, or that the intention was to capture and remove Maduro without invading and this was what they did, regardless of whether a few peripheral targets got missed?
  - CGMthrowaway 9mo ago
    IDK what you are saying but I don't think we disagree. Maybe I had meant to reply to parent comment instead of you

terminalshort 9mo ago

Sounds like BS to me. If the Venezuelan military has the ability to drive back an actual US military landing operation, then a deep raid into the capital would be impossible.

rdtsc 9mo ago

> US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead and forward operating site but had to return to the battle group without successful deployment (or any deployment at all) after it came under Venezulean fire That sounds unlikely. They have aircraft carriers and just a large modern navy but a helicopter comes under fire and they cancel the invasion?

wat10000 9mo ago

How would they even know that? If this is true, then all they actually know is that an American helicopter was fired on and departed. They'd have no way of knowing why it was there, what was being attempted, why it left, or what the plans were.

naasking 9mo ago

Or that was just a distraction intended to obscure the true intent. Frankly that sounds a lot more plausible.

mike_d 9mo ago

> Some Venezulean sources claim US troops on a helicopter initially tried to capture a beach to turn it into a beachhead With a myoptic view of the battlefield it is easy to convince yourself that the distractions launched to keep the military busy were the primary objectives.